Belgast last night - horrific attack - why is this not being reported on BBC/Sky etc?

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Absolutely shocking details of the injuries inflicted - the BBC minimise it.
https://x.com/paultreyvaud/status/2064244770742956256?s=46

And there were a fair few murders and very violent acts done in Belfast.

The Krays (not the Richardsons etc) did not select random passers by in the street to attack. They inflicted violence as part of gangland disputes and tried to be discreet enough to avoid detection by the authorities. Violence was basically strategic and could largely be avoided by avoiding involvement with them.

You could argue the toss about whether that is better or worse but it is of an entirely different character to people who select strangers in the street and openly and loudly try to hack them to death, unprovoked.

No that's not what I meant at all and if you look at my other post's you'll be able to see that :)

@Persephonia1966 actually sometimes that was the case ... Moss Side, elsewhere too.

Class played a big role in what was reported and what wasn't. So did whether the victim was male or female. A LOT of appalling crimes against women and children weren't reported. Still aren't, but it was worse then.

I bet you haven't heard of the Kriss Donald murder in Glasgow? I guess murdered, white, teenage Scots don't count for as much...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald?wprov=sfla1

These men aren't true asylum seekers.
They pass through many safe countries in Africa and the Middle East before landing on a continent where the food, religion, culture etc is different to theirs. They come because the system is easy and the most generous in the world. Labour needs them. It's the only way they can get power.

What like the young rapists who went to trial, whose victims did the right thing the way you say you want, went through the secondary trauma of a court case, and where those rapists, though found guilty were let off by a judge because they're young and shouldn't have their lives destroyed whilst their victims lives are in fact destroyed?

The only way those girls will get justice is via publicity. If they'd had no publicity I doubt a review would have happened. Ditto grooming gangs

Democracy and the rule of law are definitely under threat, but it's not from normal people who are rightly outraged at the way the system is failing and the way criminals' 'human rights' seem to be more important than people who don't break the law.

And if people don't trust 'due process' any more and aren't that convinced it's the right thing to not speak about all the many miscarriages of justice and prioritising of violent criminals' human rights over those of their victims who can blame them really?

The murderer of Rhiannon Whyte delayed his trial by claiming to be a minor. Clearly briefed on what would work. It's a farce.

I think it would be sensible for Starmer to wait for the full facts of the case, rather than making some rash, unworkable promise just to appease the hard-of-thinking.

If you do follow the logic that if it weren't for Elon Musk sharing the video on twitter the media would have covered it up (as other posters have argued) then logically also maybe there were loads of horrific public murders being done in the 70s and 80s that we don't know about because Twitter and Elon Musk didn't exist to expose them.

It is likely true that there were events that were effectively covered up, or not reported in the 70s and 80s. The issue now is the systematic not reporting or under reporting of crimes by certain sectors of society and this reflects the political ideology of the current government.

I see. Nothing then. It’s not the first crime, people waited after earlier crimes too. Eventually someone else will get in.

They did show footage, it was everywhere.

There is a limit to what is shown at first, that's normal - there's a limit to what people can stomach seeing. Reading about it is one thing but visual images stay in the mind and kids might see it.

I know what happened to Sarah Everard from reading the reports but wouldn't want to see it. I realise that wouldn't be possible because her ordeal was over by the time the police found her but had it been otherwise, showing it in the media would not have been appropriate.

And how does the BBC reporting the nationality of an attacker at 10 am rather than 10.32 am make you less safe? How does hearing about an awful murder rather than watching the whole thing several times make you less safe? How does demanding politicians make declarations about the inevitable outcome of an inquiry/trial before it has even happened make you less safe? How does not rioting make you less safe?

This isn't about whether the case should be reported or not. But you have no idea of the details, or why the attacker did what he did (it could be straight up mental illness, it could be mental illness plus radicalisation, it could be just radicalisation). And we won't until the full trial. And if it was radicalisation then there are questions to answer there about how he was radicalised and what could have been done to prevent it/catch it earlier. And if it was something like schizophrenia then there are questions to answer about the mental health services and whether warning signs could have been picked up earlier. And people having mental health episodes do sometimes shout religious phrases, as do radicalised terrorists.

I haven't said anything at all about a cover up or Elon Musk.

I have simply said that I think this particular type of violence (and/or its prevalence) is new to these shores and that people are rightly worried because it is random and unprovoked, so could be visited on anyone.

We have gone from a high trust to low trust society in just a few generations and this sort of random, savage violence which is becoming more and more common reduces what is left even further.

It is a tragedy for our society, not only for the poor victims and their family, and people know this on one level or another - hence the outcry.

You mean he should do nothing to address the concerns people have or the potential risks to public safety for another year or two until after then end of the court case?

Does that include not calling people upset and afraid ‘far right’?

Preventing other victims is more important than some strange procedural issue. Yeah of course the video prejudices the jury, they can fucking see the shithead miscreant do it!

People should see it so they know what is happening when borders are not enforced, people are allowed to stay because they can’t get fucking chicken nuggets in their home country or they are from a place that properly deals with rapists (eg kills them)

The footage of Henry Novak being stabbed has not been shown at all - despite being evidence it was also withheld from the jury as deemed too distressing

So very true. Well said.

Quite frankly, because people don’t trust the police.

They think if it’s on social media, it will be seen, if. given to the police it will be buried.

See recent example of cps stepping in to stop police issuing statement painting Henry Nowak as aggressor.

Starmer the lawyer and former head of prosecutions didn't wait with George Floyd the criminal pregnant woman basher. Neither did Lammy the lawyer. Double standards and two-tier justice.

As Rhiannon Whyte's mother said. Not that her speech was widely reported.

'Rhiannon Whyte had just finished her shift at the Park Inn Hotel at 23:00 BST on 20 October 2024 and was on the phone to a friend as she walked to the railway station.

She was on the platform when Majek launched his attack, stabbing her 19 times in the head, with 11 injuries to her skull, and one wound so deep it pierced her brain stem.

She died in hospital three days later. No motive has been established for why Majek attacked her.

Majek had arrived in the UK on a small boat about three months before the attack and made a legal claim for asylum. He was living at the hotel, which was being used to temporarily house asylum seekers at the time.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yvwdgjpj3o

Exactly. And this day and age of misinformation, it's a must to check everything.

Southport for example. People said online that the killer was an immigrant before facts came out. They hijacked the families grief on an anti-immigration riot when the man was born in Wales. Even the family asked for calm, which the thugs wouldn't listen to. I do wonder if the riots would've been as big as they were had it not be whipped up into an anti immigrant tirade.

Very wise of you, MusicMakesItAllBetter

Unfortunately it's also full of people who'll do anything to produce the preferred story ... see the splicing of tapes to make it appear that the ghastly Trump was calling for civil unrest, the recent misquoting of the equally horrible Farage, the Martin Bashir disgrace and much more

I realise governments regard their control of the licence fee as a handy tool for keeping their mouthpiece in place, but why anyone trusts this toxic institution is beyond me

It's awful.
The news story you linked to though was the BBC. So they are reporting it?

There have been lots of protest/ vigils, walks to stormont and VAWG is now always on the local news, and rightly so.