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EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:04

Oooeeh · Yesterday 10:29

I genuinely have no problem with integration. But unless you see it first hand, you cannot agree that it’s integration.

You are lucky to live near a police station, our nearest is now 25 miles away.

I do not blame asylum seekers, I blame the government. There is no integration. No speed to process applications and integrate. And it all gets brushed under the carpet.

I really hope that you continue to experience the wonder that you do. But it’s scary for them and it’s scary for us. No one wins in these situations, it just creates more divide and more unrest.

Integration isn’t the answer to a crime this horrific. Nor any of the similar crimes.

Purplebunnie · Yesterday 11:05

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 09:01

All the detail is on X -was all captured on video so no doubt as to what happened.

Edited

Some of us refuse to enable Musk so no I won't know anything that is reported on X or Twatter as I prefer to call it

It is however reported on the BBC News website

Owlbookend · Yesterday 11:05

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:02

There are likely places where beheadings and eye gouging are more prevalent. Politicians will need to stop the same here.

Most are not going to be ok with it. If it’s happening even once let’s look at why.

As i said, every crime should be investigated. This crime is being investigated. Not one person on this thread is 'okay with it'.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:06

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:55

So it's a deliberate choice by politicians to prioritise single young men (the ones who can get here) over the most vulnerable and deserving asylum seekers.

Lovely.

I knew this government was misogynist as hell but thanks for confirming.

It's an unintended consequence but that's the result. In the same way if you built a very difficult obstacle course and asked people to complete it the ones who make it to the end will be majority young, healthy men. It doesn't mean they aren't also worthy of asylum. Men are people too (shocking thing to say on Mumsnet). But the harder you make it to claim asylum, and the harder you make it to get here the greater the proportion of people who succeed will be young men. It's very deceitful for the right to constantly advocate for harder policies and then point to the inevitable outcome of that as a moral failing on behalf of the asylum seekers. They can't help being men or being young.
If you wanted to make it fairer to women/less able people you could advocate for allowing people to apply for asylum from outside the UK or for us to take in more vulnerable people/families direct from the source. But that is not being pushed by the Right or the centre now and probably isn't what many people want.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:06

Owlbookend · Yesterday 11:05

As i said, every crime should be investigated. This crime is being investigated. Not one person on this thread is 'okay with it'.

Ik you and others prefer footage is suppressed. I disagree, that’s how incredibly horrific stuff is covered up. Look to other countries that do that well.

RingoJuice · Yesterday 11:06

SeriousFaffing · Yesterday 10:15

@PilatesAndLattes

99.9% of nasty bastards I have encountered in my life are white men. Where should we deport those guys to?

You can’t deport them. But when you add more young males from even worse cultures, what do you expect to happen? Your misplaced compassion is screwing things up. At least own up to it

WaitingForSomeone · Yesterday 11:07

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:00

So as not to jeopardize a trial? The (awful) details came out almost immediately after the sentencing.
Have you ever given evidence in court or gone through a trial? It's really difficult and grim and people shouldn't get to derail it just to outrage farm (see also the time SYL risked the outcome of a CSE trial because standing on the court steps and ranting at a camera was more important).

People "have a right to be angry" they don't have the right to centre their needs/feelings at the expense of justice, the victims or the victims families.

Also, seeking out videos of stabbings etc isn't informing yourself. It's not healthy behaviour. You don't need to watch that video to know that trying to behead someone is wrong. The only reason is to increase your own emotional response because that's fun but there are fictional movies for that! It's like the video of a Dr from a while back orally raping his unconscious patient while he did a caesarean. It was shared because the nurses wanted to ensure justice was done. But then went viral all over the internet with (mostly men) posting the video, watching the video etc. "look at this isn't it awful, look look look I watched it 3 times already". Think how the victims feel in those cases? In the case of the woman who was assaulted I don't think men needed to watch the video to know SA is wrong. At least some of them got something else from repeatedly watching and sharing the video. Likewise Elon Musk and violent videos

It's not good for the victims family you are right, but if the footage isn't posted there are definitely attempts from the media and gov to minimise the incident.

I saw it with my own eyes this morning, daily mail first reported it as a stabbing and now changed the title to beheading.
I guarantee for a fact if the video wasn't circulated everywhere they would not have mentioned the race (Somalian man) and put beheading.

Just like when those little girls got killed in Southport and they refused to mention the race of the guy who did it until they basically had to.
There is some strange agenda going on from the government, maybe because Labour have a large minority vote proportion?

RingoJuice · Yesterday 11:08

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:06

It's an unintended consequence but that's the result. In the same way if you built a very difficult obstacle course and asked people to complete it the ones who make it to the end will be majority young, healthy men. It doesn't mean they aren't also worthy of asylum. Men are people too (shocking thing to say on Mumsnet). But the harder you make it to claim asylum, and the harder you make it to get here the greater the proportion of people who succeed will be young men. It's very deceitful for the right to constantly advocate for harder policies and then point to the inevitable outcome of that as a moral failing on behalf of the asylum seekers. They can't help being men or being young.
If you wanted to make it fairer to women/less able people you could advocate for allowing people to apply for asylum from outside the UK or for us to take in more vulnerable people/families direct from the source. But that is not being pushed by the Right or the centre now and probably isn't what many people want.

The thing is, you won’t block the ‘irregular’ routes so you have a legal and illegal route side by side and that’s not going well.

Show people you are willing to block irregular arrivals and maybe then something can happen

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 11:08

Main Stream Media repeatedly avoid trying to report things and but are forced into it by reporting on social media.

ForeverPombear · Yesterday 11:08

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:06

Ik you and others prefer footage is suppressed. I disagree, that’s how incredibly horrific stuff is covered up. Look to other countries that do that well.

That's not what people are saying. The footage is out there, I don't personally want to watch it but I've read about what is in it. The people who you are accusing of wanting it to be 'suppressed' are the ones who want a fair trial so he can be convicted and not let go and released due to an unfair trial.

Monty36 · Yesterday 11:09

Teaandtarot · Yesterday 09:59

That's literally not what I'm saying at all

You are saying there shouldn't be civil unrest or rioting etc . You think there are better ways to communicate.

People are getting fed up because children are being brought up in a world full of stabbings every other day and different attacks. This is becoming the new norm

I never mentioned getting a child to watch it?

I was raised in the 70’s when violence was a norm. Football riots were normal.
In the 80’s riots were normal. Rioting against poll taxes, police and miners fighting each other. The violence in Northern Ireland was talked about almost daily.
We have always had violence in this country. Violent criminals, murders, from the East End to Manchester.
Pretending we have all lived in some rosy chocolate box world for decades is kidding yourself.
More of it we do not need. I agree with that. But please don’t pretend violence was unknown to us in generations prior to mass immigration. We have managed to be violent for a long time.

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 11:09

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:06

Ik you and others prefer footage is suppressed. I disagree, that’s how incredibly horrific stuff is covered up. Look to other countries that do that well.

To be fair, the PSNI and NI politicians have asked for the footage not to be shared. But obviously this is not being heeded.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 11:10

Lifeomars · Yesterday 11:02

It's on the front of the . Guardian www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/09/man-seriously-injured-in-belfast-stabbing-starmer-describes-as-sickening?CMP=share_btn_url Factual report with all the necessary information

Bloody hell the Guardian must have had painful fingers typing this sentence out, albeit the 4th para down 'The arrested man was reported to be Somalian in his 30s.'

Owlbookend · Yesterday 11:11

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:06

Ik you and others prefer footage is suppressed. I disagree, that’s how incredibly horrific stuff is covered up. Look to other countries that do that well.

No one wants footage 'supressed'. They want it used effectively in the police investigation and eventual trial.
People have explained why early and widespread circulation to the general public can damage the investigation and trial.
Bringing the offenders to justice is the most important thing.

cardibach · Yesterday 11:11

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:55

So it's a deliberate choice by politicians to prioritise single young men (the ones who can get here) over the most vulnerable and deserving asylum seekers.

Lovely.

I knew this government was misogynist as hell but thanks for confirming.

This government? It was the last lot who refused an offer from France for processing in Calais. And yes, I’d like this government to provide some proper routes, but I don’t suppose Reform supporters would be so keen.

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 11:11

hay5689 · Yesterday 10:55

Only in the UK would people be falling over themselves to downplay someone beheading someone else in the street and somehow turn it into Elon Musks fault.

No one is downplaying anything. But the gratuitous sharing of the details of injuries often causes families extra pain during the worst time of their lives.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68886331

Emma Webber

Nottingham attacks: Victim's mum condemns 'abhorrent' police message

Emma Webber pens a letter criticising an officer who wrote a graphic post about the Nottingham attacks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68886331

PenelopePinkerton · Yesterday 11:13

Marmalademorning · Yesterday 10:20

Ooohh get you with your virtue signalling 😂No one cares.

who is virtue signalling? I’m not downloading x just to find info on something the OP could just post.

PinkandPerky · Yesterday 11:14

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 09:00

‘Tedious’ posts about stabbings….
Because we should now just shrug and just accept our children being horrifically attacked.
Utterly despicable to casually condemn other peoples suffering.
This occurred last night / should have led the news everywhere in a civilised society.

Children are in the UK stabbed every day.

I didn't see this one reach the main news headlines.
Is it because this child was black?

https://metro.co.uk/2026/06/05/shopkeepers-battled-save-life-boy-stabbed-death-front-families-28661392/

Shopkeepers battled to save life of boy stabbed to death in front of families

https://metro.co.uk/2026/06/05/shopkeepers-battled-save-life-boy-stabbed-death-front-families-28661392/

Monty36 · Yesterday 11:14

Owlbookend · Yesterday 11:11

No one wants footage 'supressed'. They want it used effectively in the police investigation and eventual trial.
People have explained why early and widespread circulation to the general public can damage the investigation and trial.
Bringing the offenders to justice is the most important thing.

Lost on many.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:15

Monty36 · Yesterday 11:14

Lost on many.

Sure. Politicians have created this. They’ll struggle to deal with the outcomes.

NoisyHiker · Yesterday 11:16

The asylum system is not fit for purpose in 2026.

You simply cannot sustain a large percentage of the global population who want to live in a better/easier country. It is just making it shitter for everyone.

I am a child of immigrants, and my elders have been complaining about illegal immigration for years. My father, before he passed, was very angry at young men being allowed to come here, who view women as nothing more than dumb beasts to be used or abused, and don't even have their criminal history checked properly.

He wanted his wife and girls to feel safe in a country, which could only happen in one with Western values. He was enraged that the scum he tried so hard to protect us from can just waltz on in.

(Just to add that of course white men can do evil things, but the difference is your society and social circles do not condone or encourage it).

hay5689 · Yesterday 11:16

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 11:11

No one is downplaying anything. But the gratuitous sharing of the details of injuries often causes families extra pain during the worst time of their lives.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68886331

Clearly you missed the pp saying they have come from terrible countries so must have bad mental health issues. If that’s not downplaying I don’t know what is.

sittingonabeach · Yesterday 11:17

Videos like that shouldn't be allowed on social media etc. As others have said, not because it is a cover up but reasons like interfering with the possibility of a fair trial, for the victim and victim's family and just out of a sense of decency. How many people looking at that video will be salivating over it for a variety of reasons.

The attacker has been arrested, who wants his trial not to be able to happen because of everything being posted all over social media and his defence team argue not a fair trial. Fine to hand in the video to the police for evidence but why post it all over social media.

Watermelonsugar44 · Yesterday 11:17

Monty36 · Yesterday 09:17

You do realise Elon Musk who owns X has a political agenda OP ? And would like nothing more than to see the UK go into some sort of civil unrest ?
Instead of managing such appalling situations efficiently but calmly.
Any news you get from X will be written in such a way to whip up moral outrage. It is done like that on purpose.

While I agree with your first sentence, you would have to be pretty odd not to be morally outraged by this wouldn’t you?

And whereas in the past this sort of thing was very rare, it feels like something like this is reported much more often now.

And it does seem to be downplayed nowadays I agree. If they are scared of civil unrest, they need meaningful action to prevent these occurrences in the first place.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · Yesterday 11:17

for anyone who's interested in some actual facts - Immigration is very heavily down.

Net migration was 171,000 in 2025, lower than the levels seen during the 2010s and a sharp decline from the unusually high levels in 2022 and 2023. In 2025, 67% of non-EU immigration was for work and study purposes.

Between March 22 - 23 1,470,000 people immigrated - ten times as high. (For the people who love blaming Labour for immigration, in 2023 the Conservatives were in power. Not that I expect silly things like facts to influence hate-filled opinions).

And in fact:

There is net emigration of British citizens, with more leaving than returning. In 2025, this was estimated at 136,000, although the figures are highly uncertain. This is higher than previously published figures due to a change in methodology. There is not currently any evidence that emigration has increased since 2022, although fewer Brits are returning to the UK.

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