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Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:49

Not letting illegal migrants in the first step. Australia's done it, America's done it. We could do it, those in power don't want to. That's the truth. They are prioritising single male migrants (many of them economic migrants, many of them who think women and children are little more than objects for them to use) over the safety and wellbeing of those already here INCLUDING legal migrants.

Letting these men in also means there is no space and no effort at all in actually providing asylum to those who truly need it e.g. women and girls in Afghanistan. Maybe rather than bankrolling illegal single male migrants for 2.5 years whilst their claims are processed we could put the money into a legal route for these women and girls.

The fact an asylum claim takes 2.5 years is a good reason not to allow illegal migrants in at point of entry because by the time a decision is made they may have disappeared into the criminal economy or if not it will cost even more to deport them at that point. They can apply abroad and if granted, then they can come.

Owlbookend · Yesterday 10:49

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:45

No it’s to stop the media and politicians from covering up events.

The media is reporting.
Politicians have made statements.
It is not being covered up. It is being investigated.
It is not helpful to spread false naratives.

IndigoBrave · Yesterday 10:49

Oooeeh · Yesterday 10:34

That makes it ok then does it ?

Just tell me why them murders are appeared to be fine to the men that state they are “protecting our woman and children”

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:49

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 10:40

Why not?

If we don’t know who they are then you’re risking the community as a whole.

Checks failing on British citizens is completely different as they are naturalised, they aren’t new arrivals.

If I rocked up to any other foreign country with no ID I’d be detained.

I don’t know how to make myself clearer.

A/ migrant arrives at port
B/ they ask to claim asylum
C/ they are detained
D/ checks are carried out
E/ their request to claim is assessed
F/ when their checks are complete, AND their asylum claim is accepted to go forward to consideration only then do we get to -
G/ placed in HO accommodation, including hotels.

So there are checks prior to ‘roaming’ allowance - these failed - this needs addressing. Oh, I believe Starmer has worked on regaining intel sharing we lost with Brexit - it’s a start.

Rosecoffeecup · Yesterday 10:50

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MsJinks · Yesterday 10:52

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:49

Not letting illegal migrants in the first step. Australia's done it, America's done it. We could do it, those in power don't want to. That's the truth. They are prioritising single male migrants (many of them economic migrants, many of them who think women and children are little more than objects for them to use) over the safety and wellbeing of those already here INCLUDING legal migrants.

Letting these men in also means there is no space and no effort at all in actually providing asylum to those who truly need it e.g. women and girls in Afghanistan. Maybe rather than bankrolling illegal single male migrants for 2.5 years whilst their claims are processed we could put the money into a legal route for these women and girls.

The fact an asylum claim takes 2.5 years is a good reason not to allow illegal migrants in at point of entry because by the time a decision is made they may have disappeared into the criminal economy or if not it will cost even more to deport them at that point. They can apply abroad and if granted, then they can come.

They cannot apply for asylum here whilst on foreign soil - they can only claim on British soil.

Once the claim is made they are not illegal.

You may like to read up on how well Australia’s off shoring is working and the current overturning of previous decisions is happening.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:52

Owlbookend · Yesterday 10:49

The media is reporting.
Politicians have made statements.
It is not being covered up. It is being investigated.
It is not helpful to spread false naratives.

Politicians have made statements - ridiculous his the same lines are trotted out,

Of course they have to report now the footage is there. Even then they use stabbing as default. If there was no footage they’d stick with that.

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 10:52

This event has not been covered up and has been widely reported.

Therefore, there is no need for MNers to seek out this video and watch it. No one can stop you from doing so, however don’t kid yourself that you’re watching it out of some kind of altruism.

You’re doing it because you gain some kind of satisfaction from watching it, whether this is righteous indignation, morbid curiosity, schadenfreude or sexual satisfaction (yes, there are people who admit to watching execution videos because it turns them on).

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:53

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:49

I don’t know how to make myself clearer.

A/ migrant arrives at port
B/ they ask to claim asylum
C/ they are detained
D/ checks are carried out
E/ their request to claim is assessed
F/ when their checks are complete, AND their asylum claim is accepted to go forward to consideration only then do we get to -
G/ placed in HO accommodation, including hotels.

So there are checks prior to ‘roaming’ allowance - these failed - this needs addressing. Oh, I believe Starmer has worked on regaining intel sharing we lost with Brexit - it’s a start.

You are not being very clear as you haven’t said what the checks actually are.

safetyfreak · Yesterday 10:53

Horrific,

Why are we continuing to allow in men to roam freely when we have no idea what they are??

Legal immigrants have to pay £1000s to live in this country, it's not fair and its not safe.

hay5689 · Yesterday 10:55

Only in the UK would people be falling over themselves to downplay someone beheading someone else in the street and somehow turn it into Elon Musks fault.

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:55

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:52

They cannot apply for asylum here whilst on foreign soil - they can only claim on British soil.

Once the claim is made they are not illegal.

You may like to read up on how well Australia’s off shoring is working and the current overturning of previous decisions is happening.

So it's a deliberate choice by politicians to prioritise single young men (the ones who can get here) over the most vulnerable and deserving asylum seekers.

Lovely.

I knew this government was misogynist as hell but thanks for confirming.

Tortoisel · Yesterday 10:55

IndigoBrave · Yesterday 10:31

Several woman have been killed by white men in NI over the last few years and I don’t recall one protest

Stop it now. No white men have been brazenly trying to decapitate random unknown women in the street.

QforCucumber · Yesterday 10:56

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:43

What are you referring to? I said that prior to going in hotels and being allowed to ‘roam’ (to use the favoured term for non whites here) they are detained and checked - this is from when they arrive.

Yes of course 2.5 years is a king time - maybe ask the Tories why they let the asylum backlog build - obviously not to let us point fingers elsewhere, obviously not to allow their mates make a fat cat killing on hotel contacts - umm just can’t think why!

I am referring to the UK Human rights law too, as listed below - so even if a person HAS had all their checks done, our Human rights law specifically states that The UK cannot deny basic housing to an asylum applicant if doing so would lead to destitution or a breach of human rights, regardless of their past.

there is also the problem of data sharing, if an asylum seeker committed a crime in their home country (e.g., Iran, Syria, or Eritrea), it is often found that many nation's governments do not share its criminal records database with UK authorities and so we have no idea, until after a crime is committed here.
also, if a person arrives in the UK without a passport or identity documents, the initial biometric checks can only flag them if they have previously interacted with law enforcement in the UK or Interpol. A clean database result simply means the UK has no existing record of them, not that they have never committed a crime abroad.

so in summary, the checks aren't as stringent as you may think.

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:56

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:53

You are not being very clear as you haven’t said what the checks actually are.

So many recent rapists had previously been convicted or denied asylum in other European countries previously that these 'checks' are obviously so poor as to be the same as not having any at all.

It's not a very good system if someone can circumvent it by throwing their papers away. And if you're not a criminal why would you do that?

CoralOP · Yesterday 10:56

It's so scary how many people don't see the brutality of the attacks that is happening because regular news downplay it.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:58

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:56

So many recent rapists had previously been convicted or denied asylum in other European countries previously that these 'checks' are obviously so poor as to be the same as not having any at all.

It's not a very good system if someone can circumvent it by throwing their papers away. And if you're not a criminal why would you do that?

There’s no way men are being checked in any way other than to put it in a list. It’s empty. And not just here, similar horrific crimes happen in the EU, there are no checks.

Dandelionsalad · Yesterday 10:58

BadAssAutumnCrow · Yesterday 09:03

You haven’t even spelled ‘Belfast’ correctly or asked MNHQ to correct it as of now.

Because that is the most important bit about this event…

Owlbookend · Yesterday 10:59

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:52

Politicians have made statements - ridiculous his the same lines are trotted out,

Of course they have to report now the footage is there. Even then they use stabbing as default. If there was no footage they’d stick with that.

Please read the definition of stabbing. I have given it above in this thread. It is accurate use of language. It is not minimising. A stabbing is a terrible crime. I have no idea why anyone would consider a stabbing minor or minimal.

The crime was reported by media independently of the release of footage.

The police ask for footage not to be circulated because it can negatively impact their investigation and ultimately a trial.

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:00

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 10:40

The police didn’t want to share footage of Henry Nowak either, and now we all know why.

So as not to jeopardize a trial? The (awful) details came out almost immediately after the sentencing.
Have you ever given evidence in court or gone through a trial? It's really difficult and grim and people shouldn't get to derail it just to outrage farm (see also the time SYL risked the outcome of a CSE trial because standing on the court steps and ranting at a camera was more important).

People "have a right to be angry" they don't have the right to centre their needs/feelings at the expense of justice, the victims or the victims families.

Also, seeking out videos of stabbings etc isn't informing yourself. It's not healthy behaviour. You don't need to watch that video to know that trying to behead someone is wrong. The only reason is to increase your own emotional response because that's fun but there are fictional movies for that! It's like the video of a Dr from a while back orally raping his unconscious patient while he did a caesarean. It was shared because the nurses wanted to ensure justice was done. But then went viral all over the internet with (mostly men) posting the video, watching the video etc. "look at this isn't it awful, look look look I watched it 3 times already". Think how the victims feel in those cases? In the case of the woman who was assaulted I don't think men needed to watch the video to know SA is wrong. At least some of them got something else from repeatedly watching and sharing the video. Likewise Elon Musk and violent videos

Monty36 · Yesterday 11:00

StandingDeskDisco · Yesterday 09:53

I'm not following the logic. How does civil unrest in the UK give Musk more power, influence or money?

If you cannot work that out I am really sorry. I am struggling to know where to begin.
Power via the media can influence. Advertising has done that for years. Using it to influence politics can change how a nation votes.
Influence persuades organisations to do whatever the influencer wants it to. Lobbyists have sought to influence this way for years. From who gets what contract to build what, etc.
Money comes from all of the influence and power.
Musk is a MAGA man. If America MAGA can persuade via influence the UK to vote Reform in, America would largely manage the UK.
Who manages America is up for question too.
This is a very short version to explain - a bit.

cardibach · Yesterday 11:02

Oooeeh · Yesterday 10:29

I genuinely have no problem with integration. But unless you see it first hand, you cannot agree that it’s integration.

You are lucky to live near a police station, our nearest is now 25 miles away.

I do not blame asylum seekers, I blame the government. There is no integration. No speed to process applications and integrate. And it all gets brushed under the carpet.

I really hope that you continue to experience the wonder that you do. But it’s scary for them and it’s scary for us. No one wins in these situations, it just creates more divide and more unrest.

I do not blame asylum seekers, I blame the government. There is no integration. No speed to process applications and integrate
Interesting. The government has speeded up processing massively.
In Wales, Reform and the Tories bang on endlessly about ‘Nation of Sanctuary’ being terrible when it is the process by which integration is aided.
Mixed messaging.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:02

Owlbookend · Yesterday 10:59

Please read the definition of stabbing. I have given it above in this thread. It is accurate use of language. It is not minimising. A stabbing is a terrible crime. I have no idea why anyone would consider a stabbing minor or minimal.

The crime was reported by media independently of the release of footage.

The police ask for footage not to be circulated because it can negatively impact their investigation and ultimately a trial.

There are likely places where beheadings and eye gouging are more prevalent. Politicians will need to stop the same here.

Most are not going to be ok with it. If it’s happening even once let’s look at why.

Lifeomars · Yesterday 11:02

It's on the front of the . Guardian www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/09/man-seriously-injured-in-belfast-stabbing-starmer-describes-as-sickening?CMP=share_btn_url Factual report with all the necessary information

LostFuse · Yesterday 11:04

MusicMakesItAllBetter · Yesterday 09:44

Global civil unrest is what they want

and an end to democracy.

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