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MsJinks · Yesterday 10:38

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 10:35

An Egyptian murderer should be deported, not allowed to roam.

To excuse this kind of foreign criminal being allowed to roam in the community is crazy. I don’t give a crap about his human rights.

Only after the poor woman was brutally gang raped did this information come out. So authorities either knew of the man’s criminal record and didn’t care or only did checks after. Either way, detain until full checks are done.

I never said this guy shouldn’t be deported. I said checks obviously failed - that does need addressing yes - but don’t extrapolate this failure to mean no asylum seeker should be allowed out. Checks failed on Huntley, on Couzens - we don’t rampage burning caretakers’ homes or cop shops down and demand they’re all detained.

innalittlepickle · Yesterday 10:38

SpudGunToo · Yesterday 10:23

I believe it was filmed by a woman.

Would you have stepped in to try to stop what seems to be a well-built young man with a knife who was trying to cut the head off his victim in the middle of the street?

Absolutely right. Until relatively recently I was against people filming everything all the time. Seems ridiculous, and annoying. Unnecessary.

However now, and especially after the Henry Nowak murder (where we'd all have been told and believed it was his racist attack on the poor brown people, had Henry himself not filmed part of the interaction; and of course the police recording of the killer and his accomplice brother talking in a foreign language (Urdu?) in the back of the police car), I hope people film everything, and I will too if need be. We can't trust the truth to be told otherwise, as we've seen

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:39

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:38

I never said this guy shouldn’t be deported. I said checks obviously failed - that does need addressing yes - but don’t extrapolate this failure to mean no asylum seeker should be allowed out. Checks failed on Huntley, on Couzens - we don’t rampage burning caretakers’ homes or cop shops down and demand they’re all detained.

What are these checks?

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:39

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:36

I don’t know if it was this thread, or another, but I said film can be manipulated, or miss stuff, deliberately or not. Plus everyone watching one single incident will have a different description even conflicting details before even interpreting it - this is a known fact. Having a piece of film is not the slam dunk you think it is.

True however if multiple people film the same thing it's unlikely they're all simultaneously and in exactly the same way doctoring their videos.

So if you have multiple sources that say the same thing as well as multiple eye witness accounts it's probably true. Far more likely to be true than a police or government statement.

This is sadly how low trust in police and government has fallen. And they deserve it, frankly. I have no doubt there are those in power who are rather sad they can't impose Stasi like control due to the fact there are still social media avenues that people can use freely. I suspect Digital ID has a lot to do with quashing this freedom.

Oooeeh · Yesterday 10:39

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:36

I don’t know if it was this thread, or another, but I said film can be manipulated, or miss stuff, deliberately or not. Plus everyone watching one single incident will have a different description even conflicting details before even interpreting it - this is a known fact. Having a piece of film is not the slam dunk you think it is.

Righto. Let’s blame the victim now shall we. Lovely stuff.

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 10:40

Happyjoe · Yesterday 10:14

The police have asked people not to share the video have they not? I don't think it's all a conspiracy theory.

The police didn’t want to share footage of Henry Nowak either, and now we all know why.

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QforCucumber · Yesterday 10:40

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:33

So checks are done after asylum claim - and detention is pre hotel - we have been a bit hampered by losing access to EU intel after Brexit, though this is being worked on.

Admin does need tightening up but otherwise those allowed out of detention are allowed to move around freely - you are blaming the wrong people.

An asylum claim in the UK currently takes around 2.5 years to process, in the time from application to outcome the claimant stays in these hotels or other accommodation as provided by the Home Office, 2.5 years is ample time for a few to go completely off radar isn't it?

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:40

Oooeeh · Yesterday 10:39

Righto. Let’s blame the victim now shall we. Lovely stuff.

Did I even say that! Ffs - read my posts more slowly and carefully next time please.

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 10:40

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:38

I never said this guy shouldn’t be deported. I said checks obviously failed - that does need addressing yes - but don’t extrapolate this failure to mean no asylum seeker should be allowed out. Checks failed on Huntley, on Couzens - we don’t rampage burning caretakers’ homes or cop shops down and demand they’re all detained.

Why not?

If we don’t know who they are then you’re risking the community as a whole.

Checks failing on British citizens is completely different as they are naturalised, they aren’t new arrivals.

If I rocked up to any other foreign country with no ID I’d be detained.

EstoyRobandoSuCasa · Yesterday 10:40

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:33

Because they don't trust the police any more. That's why.

Once it's on the internet it's far more difficult to deny and /or minimise what happened by calling it a 'stabbling'.

And personally if it was my family, I'd want as many people to see it as possible to have some hope of real justice.

Edited

Some do it purely for attention. There’s a stampede to be the first to share it to their peer group. You can see a much milder form of this on MN when posters rush to be the first to “break the news” each time a celebrity dies.

Others do it for money. There is absolutely nothing that some bottom-feeding influencers won’t exploit for cash and a higher profile.

Others exploit tragedies for political gain.

None of these people give a shit about the victim, their family or the importance of not jeopardising any future trial.

KerryWeaversSpecs · Yesterday 10:41

Oooeeh · Yesterday 10:34

That makes it ok then does it ?

I don't think that is what pp is saying. But there does seem to be much more outrage when a white person is attacked or murdered by a person of colour.

For example, this, which also happened in NI, is horrific. Very little outrage on MN and certainly not multiple threads afaics. Maybe because women being murdered by their partners is common, whilst the sort of incident last night is not?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/stephen-mcullagh-jailed-natalie-mcnally-murder

Man who murdered pregnant partner while faking livestream as alibi jailed for 31 years

Stephen McCullagh planned ‘cold-blooded and calculated’ killing of Natalie McNally in Lurgan, Northern Ireland, in great detail

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/stephen-mcullagh-jailed-natalie-mcnally-murder

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · Yesterday 10:42

Thank you @DrBlackbird for your balanced, careful, perceptive and necessary message at I think 11:17

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:42

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 10:40

The police didn’t want to share footage of Henry Nowak either, and now we all know why.

It’s far too easy for people to cover this up without footage.

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 10:42

And for those who are so glib about ‘it’s just another stabbing’ - a school in Manchester vwas in lockdown this morning after three children were stabbed (schoolgirl arrested)

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Owlbookend · Yesterday 10:43

Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more

stabbing
/ˈstabɪŋ/

noun
an act or instance of wounding or killing someone with a knife.

The crime involved wounding or attempting to kill someone or killing someone with a knife.
The definition of stabbing is above. Language was used accurately. It isnt covering something up or minimising the act.
The media are reporting. The police are investigating.
Stop trying to claim a 'cover up' when there isnt one.

Before you continue to Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&hs=vTNV&sca_esv=bcc915fd4b92abab&source=android-browser&q=how+to+pronounce+stabbing&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOMIfcRoxS3w8sc9YSnDSWtOXmPU5uINKMrPK81LzkwsyczPExLhYglJLcoV4pHi4uIoLklMSsrMS7diUWJKzeNZxCqZkV-uUJKvUADUkw_UlKoAUwIAc8xG7lsAAAA&pron_lang=en&pron_country=gb&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1hamn7vmUAxVXXEEAHS5PM5UQ3eEDegQIGhAN

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:43

QforCucumber · Yesterday 10:40

An asylum claim in the UK currently takes around 2.5 years to process, in the time from application to outcome the claimant stays in these hotels or other accommodation as provided by the Home Office, 2.5 years is ample time for a few to go completely off radar isn't it?

What are you referring to? I said that prior to going in hotels and being allowed to ‘roam’ (to use the favoured term for non whites here) they are detained and checked - this is from when they arrive.

Yes of course 2.5 years is a king time - maybe ask the Tories why they let the asylum backlog build - obviously not to let us point fingers elsewhere, obviously not to allow their mates make a fat cat killing on hotel contacts - umm just can’t think why!

Wishing14 · Yesterday 10:43

If people are upset that migration is too high then OBVIOUSLY they will be more upset when a crime is committed by an immigrant! It’s not rocket science.

Northernladdette · Yesterday 10:44

I think we all know why🙄

Ginnyweasleyswand · Yesterday 10:44

MightyDandelionEsq · Yesterday 10:40

Why not?

If we don’t know who they are then you’re risking the community as a whole.

Checks failing on British citizens is completely different as they are naturalised, they aren’t new arrivals.

If I rocked up to any other foreign country with no ID I’d be detained.

This.

And there were protests after the police failed to charge Couzens for the crime of flashing (which was reported by McDonalds staff who seemed to give more of shit about his offending than the police) which enabled him to go on to murder.

Large protests.

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:44

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:42

It’s far too easy for people to cover this up without footage.

Footage is important yes - but for the police investigation and trial - not for people to salivate over and push an agenda.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:44

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:43

What are you referring to? I said that prior to going in hotels and being allowed to ‘roam’ (to use the favoured term for non whites here) they are detained and checked - this is from when they arrive.

Yes of course 2.5 years is a king time - maybe ask the Tories why they let the asylum backlog build - obviously not to let us point fingers elsewhere, obviously not to allow their mates make a fat cat killing on hotel contacts - umm just can’t think why!

Despite pp there are no checks.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:45

MsJinks · Yesterday 10:44

Footage is important yes - but for the police investigation and trial - not for people to salivate over and push an agenda.

No it’s to stop the media and politicians from covering up events.

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 10:46

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:45

No it’s to stop the media and politicians from covering up events.

This!
No-one is ‘salivating’ what an utterly egregious comment.

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Owlbookend · Yesterday 10:47

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 10:42

And for those who are so glib about ‘it’s just another stabbing’ - a school in Manchester vwas in lockdown this morning after three children were stabbed (schoolgirl arrested)

No one is glib about stabbings. Every stabbing is a terrible crime.
They should all be investigated and reported regardless of the ethnicity of the offender and victim. The incident highlighted in this thread is being reported and investigated.
It is not being excused or ignored or covered up.

MidlandsWoman · Yesterday 10:49

MelanzaneParmigiana · Yesterday 10:40

The police didn’t want to share footage of Henry Nowak either, and now we all know why.

Oh come off it, OP. There are other reasons. It affects the trial. It is utterly unfair on the victim and the victim's family. And circulating videos of vicious assaults and attempted murder is just sick - teenagers and children circulate this stuff among themselves, for instance. There is no conspiracy.

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