Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

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If Wade had not testified for MJ or had been in a place where he could admit what really happened to him, MJ may never have been found not guilty.

Whilst he was alive, MJ manipulated people left and right. Wade said that he put huge pressure on him to testify and kept saying ‘We can’t let them bring us down’. He was incredibly manipulative.

Wade is very inconsistent. I don't know

Oh, it was all Martin Bashir’s fault that MJ was constantly depicted in photos like these creepy ones as well?

He’s not inconsistent at all. He was manipulated to stay quiet about the abuse and defend his abuser just like many, many victims of CSA are.

Wade contacted staff asking if he could hold his wedding ceremony at the Neverland Ranch in 2005. That would of been around the time he was apparently being placed under pressure to testify. Doesnt add up

He is inconsistent, in my opinion.

No I didn't write that did I. I wrote what WAS Martin Bashirs fault

What about the thing where James safechuck said mj abused him in the train station in neverland. Then it was found out that the train station wasn't built at the time.

Did he also tell them to dangle him over the balcony? 🤔
Even if he did I know what I'd tell someone if they told me to dangle my baby over a balcony.

Is there video footage of this? MJ had his own cameras filming it didn't he? Why would Michael not have said No Gavin don't do that.

That’s desperate MJ fans grasping at straws to try and discredit victims. There was also more than one train station at Neverland.

Jimmy Safechuck was treated like a boyfriend by MJ - he even bought him a wedding ring. He would have abused him many, many times.

According to Matt Fiddes, Martin bashir told MJ that he was going to film it as a "look how innocent mj is with children" kind of film. But he set mj up.

Matt also said that Martin was very insistent on doing the documentary with mj. Mj wasn't sure. Then Martin Bashir produced a handwritten note from Princess Diana saying how great Martin Bashir is. And then mj decided to do it. Diana had been Michael's friend.

Matt fiddles said Martin Bashir was very manipulative. Remember he manipulated Diana aswell.

MJ did a good job of making himself look like a pedophile without any help from Martin Bashir.

Well according to Matt, mb told gavin to put his head on mjs shoulder for a "nice sweet shot"

Some of the inconsistencies pertaining to Wade Robson's behaviour are worth visiting

https://x.com/tajjackson3/status/1279845553048698880

I just saw a clip where Matt Fiddes said that an unnamed person told him that Martin Bashir said to hold his hand etc.

And again where's the video footage, Michael had someone recording too?

I am aware that MJ was warned, the rabbi told him not to do it also. But Michael chose to do it anyway, and regardless of what Martin Bashir said or what his intentions were, MJ wasn't forced to put Gavin on camera or hold his hand or say what he said about sleeping in bed with children either. He just did.

No idea what your point is…

I mean we can all agree that MJ was very stupid to do it.

But Martin Bashir was highly manipulative. He kept telling mj that the documentary would make him look great like Diana. And he won mj over with a note from diana

I think it’s you who’s desperate (again).

Safechuck said he was abused in a room above the Neverland train station during a period when this wasn’t built. During that time there were no other train stations in Neverland.

That figures. That’s because you don’t understand the psychology of Child Sexual Abuse, especially when the perpetrator was a famous super star who made you believe you were in a loving relationship.

It indicates Martin Bashir was trying to capture an image to fit his insinuation.

Youre assuming we haven't been in a similar situation and couldn't possibly understand.

Honestly, listen to yourself. I would like to believe he wasn’t guilty but he most definitely was - the totality of the evidence is irrefutable.

I’m not the kind of person who calls victims of CSA liars because I like someone’s music. 🙄

Do you think the photo I posted of Jimmy Safechuck going to an opera with Michael Jackson like a date is normal? Would you be happy with your 10 year old son doing this?

He didn’t need to. There was already plenty of evidence MJ was a pedophile before Gavin Arvizo.

Well if you have been in that situation then shame on you for calling so many victims of abuse liars because you don’t want to hear it.

Robson’s mother testified they went to Neverland about fourteen times but Jackson was hardly ever there - she said there were four times he was there. Yet Robson said he was abused “hundreds of times” so where did this abuse he alleges took place? Or was she lying?