Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

New thread 😀

And then Bob Mortimer stepped up to be his lawyer. Yes, when watching the documentary recently (which didn't include this) I did think Jarvis really outdid himself that night. He was given a lot of shit at the time by the press but he's a hero for doing it.

Jordan Chandler was targeted by a vehicle that tried to run him over. I’m not at all surprised he keeps a low profile.

His interview is completely plausible and not sensationalist in any way. And all the victims have pretty much identical stories on MJ’s MO when it comes to how the abuse occurred and what he said / did.

Supporters used the fact that a lot of the details match up as proof that they copied the story, which is ridiculous, because obviously lots of parts of the story would match up when the same person is doing the abusing.

Jordans story differed a bit in that MJ was telling him that other boys let him do it, compared to say Wade Robson and James Safechuck who seemed to think they were the only one, but Jordan seemed to be the only one who told MJ that there was certain things he didn't like such as tongue kissing, and MJ was trying to make him feel guilty/jealous, whereas with Wade and James I don't think they told him not to do anything so he didn't need to try that tactic on them.

The impression I get is that Jordan Chandler was not quite as enamoured of MJ as Jimmy and Wade, who were both conditioned to believe that MJ was in love with them and they must protect him at all costs. Which is why there are videos of Wade, the child defending MJ.

MJ bought Jimmy the ‘wedding’ ring because Jimmy was starting to feel sidelined by other boys (because he was getting older). I can’t imagine the trauma and confusion these kids must have endured.

Staff at Neverland would say that Jordan Chandler would become irritated by Jackson’s groping and would tell him to get off.

Yes from what I read it seems Michael was completely obsessed with Jordan, I read that when he found out about the allegations he just kept crying that Jordan was his soulmate and that his biggest concern seemed to be that he wouldn't get to see him anymore and he wouldn't be able to go on tour with him.
Jordan didn't seem to develop romantic feelings for him, and just thought of him as a friend.

Some of the Neverland staff who testified against Jackson were as dodgy as a two pound note. Ralph Chacon, for one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jackson

Interview with MJ in 1979

’in India I was amazed to find out that a 30 year old man can marry a ten year old girl’

It seems to me that MJ hired people with questionable ethics so that they would not report him when they saw him being inappropriate with children.

And the child victims?

Should we say Andy Mountbsttens victim was after money? What about Epstein hiring girls from poor families then abusing them? Goodness they all say the same thing they must be lying now years later?

Those money grabbing women now coming out of the woodwork on Saville?

But of course this is the pure of heart childlike pop prince who was idolised, those little boys and their families are lying?

If it wasnt so tragic it would be funny the deflection on this pedophile.

MJ going to see Phantom of the Opera with Jimmy Safechuck. Nothing normal about this at all.

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I talked yesterday about the Behavioural panel and the interviews with the now adult victims.

One boy spoke without embarrassment about the sexual acts. He said he never felt uncomfortable as Michael persuaded him thats what you did in a loving relationship. The panel believed him. The other boys body language was all over the place and showed he was very uncomfortable in talking about it.

The panel concluded that this was because he had originally spoke up in defence of him, but that the abuse in their opinion had happened.

20 years in military interrogation and anti interrogation techniques I think ill go with their opinions rather than star struck fans

How interesting @Marriedatsecondsight I wonder if the lawyers for Robson and Safechuck will bring in those experts for the trials later this year.

Let's not kid ourselves here. Getting a conviction in any kind of rape or sexual abuse trial is very difficult as its not ike theres a smoking gun or a blood spattered body, so "evidence" is in short supply.

And legally thats probably the case here too, but morally the dogs in the streets know the truth.

His fans will keep demonising the victims as money grabbing which to me is pretty disgusting.

Virginia Guiffre was paid off and had she not had that photo probably would have been disbelieved also, look what getting paid off did to her 😪 Those boys are brave speaking out, his more ardent fans are mad as a box of frogs where hes concerned.

Who knows, maybe they’ve got new evidence to bring - I would have thought so, because they need a strong case as possible to give them an OK chance of avoiding financial ruin.

You speak from a legal perspective, I speak from a moral perspective.

Exactly because it’s not as if MJ himself even denied sleeping with hundreds of children.

I think they have lots of evidence and I wish them good luck.

They seem to be motivated by a desire for justice, which they are pursuing through the civil courts and why not?

Jackson may be dead but those who enabled his behavior should be held to account.

MJ probably would have said they were, huge misogynist who said that many powerful men had been taken down by what a woman had between their legs, referring to Monica Lewinsky he said " One woman did so much pain to this president. How much can a woman do to try and hurt a president? Look what she caused, and that’s why I don’t like Barbara Walters because she instigated a lot of it. She made it all on television. She tried to come here today and I cancelled it. "

A constant stream of inaccuracies and rumours spread online from cowboy news outlets every day. Disproven once again.

This time involving his children E.g "Paris knows what he did" "Paris in regular contact with Cascio family". Wrong. In yesterdays interview with Jack Osbourne she proves she has nothing but love for him. Just ridiculous

How on earth would you know what she believed and what she didn’t believe? I think you’re tying yourself up in knots here and in your other reply to me. I think it’s much simpler - she was in an abusive relationship for years - fact. Therefore it is likely to say she was coerced into speaking out against Jackson, more than once, we know Gordon didn’t get on with the family. Yes, maybe she thought he was guilty, she could be thinking a million other things that we’ll never know about.

More here about her relationship with Gordon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Gordon_(entertainment_manager)

Like I said in the other thread, my argument is more compelling than yours.

Because it's the normal thing to believe and everyone would think it was weird and suspicious, that's why.

Like I said in the other thread, my argument is more compelling than yours.

😂To yourself maybe.

I have a really good understanding of the whole thing (but like everyone I don’t know it all) so I don’t bother asking for sources of stuff I already know is fact. But the amount of stuff here that’s been posted has, quite frankly, stunk of bull shit, and no source given (what a surprise).

Nice diversion. I said that when you do ask for evidence and are provided with it you then ignore it.

Such as? Name all of this bull shit

I think I can make a bigger list.
Oh those pedophile books are just art books.
And his fan gave it to him and it had hardly any nudity in it anyway...
Oh he was just helping and protecting children
He was saving children from Epstein island.
No people wouldn't automatically think anyone else was guilty with the same evidence, don't be silly.
He's lying, she's lying, they're lying, everyones lying....
I could go on and on

So he had the time, energy and inclination to personally screen and recruit all his employees? Nannies, cleaners, bodyguards, chefs, housekeepers, accountants, lawyers, managers?

I think if you aren’t prepared to watch Leaving Neverland then you’re deliberately ignoring incriminating evidence because it suits you. So you don’t really then have a claim to say that others are misinformed.

The families of these men were horribly affected by the abuse. Wade’s wife and brother were there when he finally admitted it took place. None of those people are acting - I would bet my house on it.