Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations part 2

[AutumnLover1990]

New thread 😀

Such as?

They certainly won't, and the lawyers for the MJ corporation won't be putting forward tiktoks from supporters.

But this is MN, and you're choosing to participate on MN threads and then acting like you have a superior thirst for real evidence than the rest of us, with your own contributions just discussing people as leaches and saying things like Latoya was coerced into saying those things, which may or may not have been true.

We’ve all given links to information where there is evidence against him. Such as the long lists of stuff that would interest a pedophile in his house. That is not heresay - it is a fact.

If you don’t have time to research sources then maybe that’s why you’re still convinced of his innocence because the evidence against him is very compelling.

@Hubhubba26 but even one is one too many

LaToya said herself she was coerced into saying things. Plenty of footage where she says so.

There is also a Faking It special on Disvovery +

The long list of individuals who say they've been offered money to tell lies does tend to muddy the waters. Where does reality begin and end. How do we determine where people's incentives lie? How trustworthy are the police involved?

Who says who has been given money to tell lies? I thought you agreed that it wasn't ok to call victims of csa liars?

The fact MIchaels lawyers were tasked to dig up dirt about the families kind of muddies the waters also. Nasty. A little like getting the history of the rape victim to discredit her.

Michael paid squillions out for it to go away yet folk put their fingers in their ears saying hes innocent.

Funny thst Randy Andy did the same but noone is fighting his corner (rightly) because he wasnt the Prince of Pop with his cult like fans kissing his feet and denying what anyone with a titter of wit can see from outer space.

I know what website I’m posting on, and if your implication is that it doesn’t matter whether or not we post credible sources to posts we’re ‘presenting’ as evidence (mostly easy to find these days) because this is a ‘fun’ website, then I disagree, because of the complexities of this case and the seriousness of the allegations.

Mostly I have linked to credible sources, but on this thread, you’re right, I didn’t with what I said about Latoya. Who knows if she’s telling the truth about being coerced, but I’m leaning towards yes because of what she was going through at the time in her long relationship with Jack Gordon and because she could have said what she did about MJ in her 1991 tell all book, two years prior to her statement in which she said she believed MJ of abusing children. But mainly because of her abusive marriage.

This all ran through my mind too!

Her family probably threatened her with being cut off if she didn’t recant.

Off topic. But did anyone else know that ‘Smooth Criminal’ is about ‘the night stalker’ Richard Ramirez?

NOOOO i DID NOT know that, that’s awful RR was a monster

I know, it’s so weird. Some of his songs are quite disturbing when you look into what they mean. I used to be mesmerised by his dancing to the point that I didn’t take in the meaning.

Apparently the line ‘Annie are you ok?’ is taken from students being taught to do CPR on the ‘human’ apparatus and they are taught to say ‘Annie, are you ok? To start the process.

@MyTrivia i knew about the Annie CPR connection, just read about this and it is rumoured he was fascinated by RR but did not want to tarnish his image. It’s an eye opener for sure.

The Richard Ramirez thing comes from Jackson's brother, Jermaine:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/articles/features/song_stories_the_real_inspiration_behind_smooth_criminal_by_michael_jackson-149552

Smooth Criminal is one of his best songs and the video is almost as good as the one for Thriller.

@fundamentallyauthentic yes I know just read that.
SC is where he got little Wade involved as well

Music is very subjective. While I get that he was very talented, I was never a fan.

Jarvis Cocker had his Messianic image summed up when he mooned him during Earth Song ironically surrounded by tattered children like a Christ like figure.

I cheered, as at the time I found it cringe making in the extreme.

And considering what was happening in his locked bedroom with the alarms outside, it was pretty disgusting also

His Dupers Delight eh?

I feel like this is very plausible.

Had no idea about any of the song meanings! 😳

Yes it was brave of Jarvis Cocker to do that and he was absolutely right.

Nobody with any sense of humility depicts themself as the messiah. Thats why I find it hard to understand why people can’t see through his narcissism.

No that wasn't my implication.
It's not the guilty side who are linking to tiktoks and I certainly haven't seen you asking people who you agree with to provide proper evidence.

My point was that even when people do link to credible sources that's generally ignored by yourself, and then you post comments about leeches etc which are obviously inflammatory and definitely going to inspire a certain tone in the thread unless you expect to be able to post what you want unhindered and then tell everyone else what they should be posting and what you want and expect to see.

As for Latoya, you can lean towards she was coerced if you want, but you posted that she was coerced to say it, even though it may not be true, so up your own standards about what you post on here if you're going to criticise other people.

Latoya may not have been coerced to say it, she may well have been coerced to say it..and even if she was coerced to say it out loud, she may well have always believed it herself, and he just told her to say it out loud.

I am aware, but there's also plenty of footage where she is talking about how inappropriate Michaels relationships with boys were.

She obviously had plenty of reason to backtrack so no one knows what the truth is there.

I would say that even if she was coerced into saying them out loud, that she still very much believed them.

I know what I'd think if it was my brother who was doing the same.

This is Jordan Chandler's interview with a psychiatrist. It seems very plausible to me.

https://archive.is/vniwV

It isn't disputed that Jackson spent many nights sleeping alone with Jordan. The interview really shows how manipulative Jackson was and how he always made himself out to be the victim of any situation. Something you can also see in interviews with Jackson.

The interview also names other victims of Jackson who have now come forward like James Safechuck but their names here are redacted.

Oh and if you want to know why Jordan didn't want to go to court in the end. Well he was a young boy and crazed fans were threatening to kill him and throwing dog shit at his house.

Yes I always found that to sound extremely plausible and I think if someone was making up allegations that's not the story they would tell.

The way he described MJ crying to make him feel bad and saying that the other boy would let him is so in line with how he treated Lisa Marie to try to get her to have a baby, walking around crying holding baby dolls and telling her that if she wouldn't have a baby then Debbie Rowe would.

He was highly manipulative and always making himself the victim.