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To be confused by Keir Starmers speech already .

253 replies

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 10:22

So he’s speaking to people like me talking about his brother and how his sister works in care and how unfairly she is treated .. Yet I’m am a carer and he has done sod all to help me apart from take more money .

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GasPanic · 11/05/2026 12:21

Monty36 · 11/05/2026 12:18

He wants to go back to Europe because it gets career politicians off the hook from being responsible for decisions made in Westminster. Oh we would like to do this or that but the EU means….. etc.
With the exception of defence that is.
Since we left the EU many are terrified of making decisions. They cannot throw the blame if it goes wrong over to the EU. It will be on them. OMG what will they do !
Too many are in Westminster without convictions or real beliefs. They could say anything so long as it keeps them in a job. Swop sides even.
What do they stand for ? Labour. He needs to address that.

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I suspect he is doing it because it generates a lot of discussion/activity without actually costing any money in the short term.

That and the fact that he has to be seem to be doing something.

Leave/remain is still a big discussion topic in UK politics, and while people are talking about that, they aren't talking about issues that are more difficult to solve, like taxes and the cost of living.

It's a weapon of mass distraction.

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:22

Fast800goingforit · 11/05/2026 12:20

The Express is a exemplar of balanced reporting, however @pavillion1 have you actually read the article beyond glancing at the very misleading photo which accompanies it?

Yes I’ve read it .. I can not help the adverts and pictures

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Fast800goingforit · 11/05/2026 12:22

Trump has made it abundantly clear the UK and the rest of Europe are on their own and he begrudges US support for Europe. Much more sensible to work with other Europeans than rely on the US in the current geopolitical climate.

gamerchick · 11/05/2026 12:26

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 10:31

Bless him , he thinks he’s just delivered a blinder

He's not a performance bloke. Head down and get on with his job type more like. How would you perform if someone kept following you around shouting abuse from all angles?

But along come the strange humans who have him in their heads rent free. Whinging on and on.

Not to mention the bots on SM.

On the bright side, the standard has been set. We demand instant results so I'm excited to see what my now reform council is going to do next at great speed.

Fast800goingforit · 11/05/2026 12:27

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:22

Yes I’ve read it .. I can not help the adverts and pictures

Then I believe your reading comprehension needs work. And your critical thinking. The photo with that article is deliberately misleading.

StandingDeskDisco · 11/05/2026 12:28

WildGarden · 11/05/2026 12:07

These are really genuine questions -
What would make working people feel better off?
What would the government need to do to make that happen?

People would need to see a real increase in their income relative to prices, in the order of at least 10-15% more, plus all the usual: better NHS, able to find a dentist, care available for grandparents, social housing available for young adults, etc. etc.

You either have to raise incomes, or reduce costs, PLUS raise taxes to fund the services and NHS.
It is generally not possible to lower prices, e.g. at supermarkets. So you have to raise take-home pay whilst still raising tax.
We are taxing the wrong things in this country.

So, raise minimum wage again, offset by big reduction in employers NI so jobs are not lost.
Sort out the stupid cliff-edge of taxation/childcare at £100k. Give everyone back the personal allowance.
Raise the 40% rate threshold on income tax from £50k to £60k, and add a new 50% rate at about £150k and a 55% rate at £500k (in addition to the 45% rate at £125k).
Reduce the cap on what you can pay tax-free into pensions from £60k to about £40k or less.
Raise capital gains tax, dividend tax, and inheritance tax.
Consider a sales tax on online sales if the company does not pay UK corporation tax and UK VAT.
Maybe introduce a tax on currency conversions.
Maybe introduce a land-value tax to replace council tax, paid nationally to central government, so that there is less difference between counties.
Consider rent caps in overheated rental housing markets.
Get serious about building social housing - the actual government employing people to build, not just leaving it up to the market.

So many more ideas.

It just takes a huge majority and a leader with guts.
Starmer has the majority, but not the guts or vision.

ProudAmberTurtle · 11/05/2026 12:28

Firetreev · 11/05/2026 11:23

Are you actually confused or just pretending to be? You say you're proudly right wing. What have the right wing ever done to help carers? What proposals of either of the main right wing parties will help you and improve your circumstances?

The left screams that everyone is racist unless they want open borders, pretends that men are women and nukes their own economy through high taxation and spending on the workshy to stay at home.

It's now literally a movement for very stupid and gullible people.

Don't be sucked in!

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 12:29

what a terrible speech. What is wrong with him??

Where is the bold statements to be delivered NOW. AR yapping about increasing NMW. For god sake you silly cow. Do you know what that has done to hospitality, retail, hairdressing? Some more of the same..taxing the rich.

What would I have done..

  1. Remove stamp duty from FTB and also older people downsizing.
  2. Move all the aslym seekers onto boats around the UK and move the Home Office onto the boats to process. That wont work of course because she all work from home and generally are not interested in processing people quickly. Also review why we take 75% of people who have no ID. Shame about Rwanda. Review the Human Rights which a number of people are using for their own end.
  3. Remove the Triple Lock
  4. Renew the Welfare Bill Reform.
EasternStandard · 11/05/2026 12:29

gamerchick · 11/05/2026 12:26

He's not a performance bloke. Head down and get on with his job type more like. How would you perform if someone kept following you around shouting abuse from all angles?

But along come the strange humans who have him in their heads rent free. Whinging on and on.

Not to mention the bots on SM.

On the bright side, the standard has been set. We demand instant results so I'm excited to see what my now reform council is going to do next at great speed.

Some of his own MPs are calling for him to go.

PropertyD · 11/05/2026 12:32

One of my nearby councils is Birmingham - a bloody mess of a council. Labour run

StandingDeskDisco · 11/05/2026 12:33

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:16

As to my link .. Yes is it against our laws to have second Third wives in this country but if they married them in a country where it is legal and they now live here they get the benefit.
it’s a loop hole .

As has been explained to you, they do NOT get benefits as a "thruple" or whatever the modern word is.
The get benefits as a couple and a single person, two separate claims for two 'households' even if they all live together. And a third separate claim would be made by a third wife, etc.

There is nothing to stop any British adults doing this.

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:33

Fast800goingforit · 11/05/2026 12:27

Then I believe your reading comprehension needs work. And your critical thinking. The photo with that article is deliberately misleading.

Again … I’m not looking at the photos 🙄

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Firetreev · 11/05/2026 12:35

ProudAmberTurtle · 11/05/2026 12:28

The left screams that everyone is racist unless they want open borders, pretends that men are women and nukes their own economy through high taxation and spending on the workshy to stay at home.

It's now literally a movement for very stupid and gullible people.

Don't be sucked in!

I am left wing, I support a strict and fair immigration system. In no way do I support open borders. I believe sex is immutable, but believe we should treat people with respect without having to believe that a man can become a woman or that trans women have a place in women's prisons or sports. I also support a welfare system which helps the most vulnerable, and supports those who can work into work. If I flipped your logic on its head I would say that everyone on the right is a rabid racist, homophobe, anti abortion etc. There is nuance on both sides.

Lemonfrost · 11/05/2026 12:36

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:21

Lemon….. again is this the best you can do ? Throwing insults says more about you than me .

How is it an insult? I thought you were proudly owning it?

Worm28 · 11/05/2026 12:36

Trying to frame left wing = good and right wing = bad is a deeply intolerant position which removes the humanity from the many people who have historically voted for right wing parties over decades. It’s bigotry!
I say this as a former leftie!

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:37

Firetreev · 11/05/2026 12:35

I am left wing, I support a strict and fair immigration system. In no way do I support open borders. I believe sex is immutable, but believe we should treat people with respect without having to believe that a man can become a woman or that trans women have a place in women's prisons or sports. I also support a welfare system which helps the most vulnerable, and supports those who can work into work. If I flipped your logic on its head I would say that everyone on the right is a rabid racist, homophobe, anti abortion etc. There is nuance on both sides.

I agree with you about nuances on both sides .. As it’s already been proven on this thread

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pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:39

Lemonfrost · 11/05/2026 12:36

How is it an insult? I thought you were proudly owning it?

I am proudly owning it .. you clearly think I’m less of a person than you and that is insulting.

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gamerchick · 11/05/2026 12:39

EasternStandard · 11/05/2026 12:29

Some of his own MPs are calling for him to go.

So what? I was hoping once the locals were out of the way the bots and people with no life would put the pitchforks away for a bit and let the bloke get on with his job. The general election will be along at some point. Use your little pencil like you're supposed to

We don't need this shit going on while there's instability in the world that affects us.

Fast800goingforit · 11/05/2026 12:41

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:33

Again … I’m not looking at the photos 🙄

You cannot have read that article other than selectively to be making the claims you have made on this thread. All your posts are sound bites.

Lemonfrost · 11/05/2026 12:42

pavillion1 · 11/05/2026 12:39

I am proudly owning it .. you clearly think I’m less of a person than you and that is insulting.

The nerve of you saying that as an out and proud right winger!

Oooeeh · 11/05/2026 12:44

rayner but more ompf but not great

Unphased · 11/05/2026 12:44

At least he’s stopped talking about smashing the gangs, no mention of stopping illegal immigration, he still doesn’t get it,

PutAGirdleRoundAboutTheEarthIn40Minutes · 11/05/2026 12:44

WildGarden · 11/05/2026 12:07

These are really genuine questions -
What would make working people feel better off?
What would the government need to do to make that happen?

Raise the basic rate tax threshold instead of freezing it, to the level it would be at now if they hadn’t frozen it for the past two years.

This would also help the pensioners who have a tiny additional income on top of their state pension so have started paying tax, and at the same time don’t qualify for pension credit and all the rebates that comes with. My own DPs bring in a tiny amount from a small private pension but it’s gobbled up by the tax and additional costs they face which they had never accounted for.

EasternStandard · 11/05/2026 12:45

gamerchick · 11/05/2026 12:39

So what? I was hoping once the locals were out of the way the bots and people with no life would put the pitchforks away for a bit and let the bloke get on with his job. The general election will be along at some point. Use your little pencil like you're supposed to

We don't need this shit going on while there's instability in the world that affects us.

‘So what?’
I’m sure you didn’t criticise the last gov, but it’s not the ‘bots’ as you call people you need to be concerned about, it’s the MPs who will back a leadership challenge.