To be confused by Keir Starmers speech already .

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So he’s speaking to people like me talking about his brother and how his sister works in care and how unfairly she is treated .. Yet I’m am a carer and he has done sod all to help me apart from take more money .

Second that.

We will not be lectured to and talked down to, anymore.

Well, after that incredibly open response I won't be trying to achieve anything other than to satisfy my own curiosity as to how you can be so blunt about this. It's absolutely fascinating, but in a sinister and unpleasant way, one that I had thought was best confined to history. Thank you for spelling it out.

Are you actually confused or just pretending to be? You say you're proudly right wing. What have the right wing ever done to help carers? What proposals of either of the main right wing parties will help you and improve your circumstances?

This. The guy has just lost majorly. Rather than doing the decent thing and addressing us, the voters, he is begging Labour to stay. Using his family as a sob story.

read the room Starmer.

and no I’m not a carer, I am a professional who has worked for 20 years and been shafted at every turn. we all have no matter where you are.

There will be no need to do either, as you will dig your own hole. The fact that several new Reform cllrs have already gone or been suspended not even a week in says it all.

Throws toys out the pram

Not at all. It's a very honest response to your statement, that genuinely took me by surprise.

You just dissed over 3 million people who voted for Reform last week.

Oh please .. We are already in a hole . Not helped by the likes of you .

Voters in Wales massively shifted to Plaid to keep Reform out, and Labour have been on a losing streak for a while in Scotland. Most Scots voted for centre /left wing parties. Reform only got around 15% of the vote in Scotland and only gained MSPs via the regional list vote.

With regard to England, God only knows. As a Scot I genuinely don't understand working class right wing English voters. I understand wealthy upper middle classes voting for right wing parties, but working classes voting for Reform and the Tories makes no sense to me. The reason why their lot is so shit is because of right wing policies, yet they vote for more of it. They've been very successfully manipulated to vote against their own interests. Similar to poor Republican voters in the USA. I used to have some empathy for people voting against their own interests, but I no longer do. They deserve everything they get and more.

@Firetreev One hopes that if a RW govt was in power for long they would bring taxes down and restore to families their responsibilities such as feeding their children not leaving the schools to give them breakfast.
Make Teachers responsible for who they teach. Move the disruptive ones out of ordinary classes and put them in special units with some sanctions on the parents, BOTH of them. We need people to be better educated for their own sake not just as employable units.

Well we just had fourteen years of right wing government and they achieved none of this. How many years would it take? Thirty?

I am willing to bet I do more to improve people's lives and support the community that you do.

I am not dismissing them whatsoever, as evidenced by this conversation.

There are various ways of measuring this, but they all agree that Labour has actually delivered or is delivering over fifty per cent of their manifesto. Which less than halfway through their term is hardly terrible. 🤷

You're say you're right wing and that we're in a hole already. When did we enter this hole? July 2024? Or perhaps under the last fourteen years of right wing government? Jesus. You can't see the wood for the trees. Your blind allegiance would walk you off a cliff!

No we did not, most education decisions have been taken by LW unions and the Conservatives let it go for a quiet life.

The family sob story and the forced clapping, nonsense and pretty much the last thing that will sway the electorate back.

Bold of you to assume that .

Make it pay to work. Stop screwing over the hard working people that put hours of their lives away from their children to pay in the system. It’s that simple.

Indeed.
That rhetoric is done to death... 'Far right' if you express legitimate concerns ...

Where are all thse jobs coming from that young people are supposed to get? Fair enoughg, some of them have disappeared due to AI. Others because his mate Rached from accounts raised NMW and employers NI. So employers stopped hiring and investing and cut back. Nice one!

I don’t see the point anyway of Starmer bringing in Mahmood and then insulting the same people those policies are meant to appeal to.

He’s just not a politician.
A politician would never have said “ I take full responsibility for this. “
They would have had a way to wriggle out of the blame.

This and get the work shy into work or at the very least give them something that earns their benefits something that helps us all out .