If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

@MyTriviaLammy is not my local MP. I was writing to him in his capacity as a Cabinet minister - part of the government’s executive team - about a national issue. Same with Streeting.

That’s the Labour Government’s leadership and how he chose to deal with this speaks volumes about how they choose to lead (or not). Whether some Labour MP in Scunthorpe or wherever does a great job for their constituents is neither here nor there to me so I’m really not sure what your point is.

Did you know that before Brexit they could automatically be sent back to France?

How many were sent back? Answers on a postcard please!!

The Dublin Agreement gets brought up all the time as some magical removal tool, but it didn't work. Still doesn't. Google Ireland or Germany and see how they are getting on with the DA.

It’s funny because no one in everyday life will admit to voting Reform but the polls say otherwise. That’s because certain people will label them as racist and shout them down for having very valid concerns.

My area didn’t have elections yesterday and I’m not sure I personally would vote Reform for various reasons. But I can understand why people are. The current government and the previous has royally fucked up on immigration, and too many people are on welfare. The pp poster who said UC encourages people to not work more than a few days a week as they will get more via UC top ups is correct. Why would they when they would be worse off? Go out on a weekday afternoon and you’ll see how many people aren’t working.

People have finally realised voting blue or red changes nothing.

This is exactly what will happen. Farage has clearly demonstrated his intent already with his £5 million ‘donation’, he doesn’t care about Britain, only what he can personally gain from being in power.

It might not be the ‘right way’ but many people use council elections as a means to protest against the government of the day.

It’s always been like that. Things change at the GE, when people vote for who they actually want in government.

@LondonBlueTopaz”ordinary folk” are people who aren’t as rich or highly educated as most (relatively) wealthy, privileged mumsnetters. They live in areas with more socioeconomic depreciation and see many of the problems first hand. Whether Reform’s the answer, probs not: but this is playing out in a pattern roughly similar to 1930s Germany - complete with antisemitism, as it turns out.

I didn’t vote reform because it was a local election (and their views are very far from what I would have considered mine to be)

however with what is happening in many towns across the UK with regard to immigration (and the impact that this is having on quite often small towns with already limited resources)
I can fully understand why people might choose to

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Although I can understand why people might choose to vote for Reform I don’t think they are any kind of solution- we have yet to see how these new councils will be run

I voted reform as a protest, but would not like them win a general election, I just think Lab and Cons need a shake up. I don't go into the local urban town where I grew up anymore because I've watched it spiral - it has gone from being a historic, pretty, thriving market town to becoming scruffy, dirty with some streets very hostile to non Muslims. (I know people will come at me for saying it, which is part of the problem). A friend is in a local authority home on a new estate in the town, and is actively being driven out - he showed me the damage to his car from stoning. We shouldn't be living in a divided society - racism is abhorrent either way.

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Yep

People who think Reform voters are stupid - well I’d say the Green policies are stupid to the point of insanity. Reading their policies actually makes me laugh they’re so ridiculous.

They seriously think LGBTQIA+ is compatible with Islam (who’s going to tell them?), want to tax ‘rich people’ (probably just normal earners) to the hilt, limit air travel, abolish the police, and say every man who wants to be a woman, is a woman. Oh and open borders, obviously.
How anyone can vote for that is beyond me.
But then you will get rich privileged people living in affluent areas voting for them because they think the Greens will stop housing developments and roads being built in their picturesque villages. They think that should be someone else’s problem, not theirs while they sit in their £1.5k house overlooking the countryside. They are the biggest NIMBYs there is.

After Brexit and now Reform I am starting to believe there needs to be some sort of comprehension test before allowing people to vote!

More seriously, maybe we need more unbiased independent information prior to elections so that people have a resource they can trust to help them decide who to vote for. As it stands, social media algorithms and biased journalism are heavily influencing voters.

Anyway, this was clearly a protest vote as was to be expected mid-term. Hopefully by the time we get to a general election, the swing voters will see sense!

I voted reform based on local issues, the current council has run it into the ground and the reform candidates promised better things
It seems a lot of people agreed as they got the majority easily, with the rest being split between a few others.
if I was asked in real life who I voted for I would be honest.
I was shouted down on another thread which didn’t surprise me, yet in real life when I told several people at work, family members etc I was met with the news they was also voting reform.
i am sure someone will be along soon to tell me how thick I am, but there you go.

For those who want immigration to stop a) how will that effect sectors that rely on migrants and b) what's the plan with the boats? Because whatever you think or believe humanity ethics and law must trump here.

Durham, Kent and others have had Reform councils for a year already.

I agree

Mainstream parties ignore voter concerns at their peril. For too long, people have been dismissed as stupid / racist. Liberal elite should have been more willing to listen

@ThatNattyPlayerand I’m sure someone telling you you’re thick for having voted Reform will immediately cause you to see the error of your ways and next time vote Labour (or whatever party the insulter deems acceptable).

Amirite?

Of course, sadly I would never vote labour so I’m going to continue to be a disappointment to mumsnet.

Let's hope they mess enough now for people not to vote for them in tne next GE. Unless they truly want back to ol' victorian times.

I wanted to set up reform for the general election so that they can win that. Why? To stop and reverse immigration.

Labour should not have stopped the Rwanda scheme as it was a real deterrent. Fact is most boat migrants are not genuine refugees, there are enough exposes out there to show many are either from a safe country (but lie they came from another), or they are helped and advised by lawyers to say things that will help them stay. Such as lying they’ve converted to Christianity in a Muslim country, or that they’re gay in a country that persecutes homosexuals.

There will be some genuine ones in the mix I am sure, but take a look at the population of the world compared to us. Do you think we should be taking everyone from a poor country who wants to come here? And they should be fed, clothed and watered by the already stretched British taxpayer? The UK does run schemes to help refugees come here in crisis already, such as Afghanistan, Ukraine etc.

When you look at what’s on offer here, it’s easy to see why these people come. You can’t blame them, I’m sure we would consider it too if we lived in a country where it was economically hard. I don’t think the general public blame the people themselves for wanting a better life. But it’s the taxpayer who is paying for it and it’s like a blank cheque, it’s neverending as they can’t seem to stop the numbers from rising.

This is a very good point. If Starmer's backbenchers had not blocked his welfare reforms, Labour would not have lost so much public support. If they now oust Starmer and move further to the left, Reform will definitely get in next time.

Just to point out that the boats started once the lorries were no longer being waved through at the border and had to face proper customs checks once we left the EU. Illegal immigration did not start after Brexit, all it did was change the modus operandi,