If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

PSA: This the third time I am sharing this regarding Farage, Reform and the NHS.
https://fullfact.org/health/reform-nigel-farage-pay-for-nhs-labour/

If anyone can provide a source citing Farage stating he wants a US style health system in the UK and that is Reform policy, please do.

Otherwise, please stop with the misinformation as it's boring now.

Canada's health service is publicly funded and privately delivered.

I see no reason to believe that the NHS would be replaced by a US model when we are so far from that model and already so close to European countries' models and to Canada's.

It is sheer scare mongerring to suggest otherwise

You have no idea how much I paid for surgery. Hope that clarifies my finances!

OP - If you were not going to come back not sure what the point of this post was other than to get an anti reform pile on.

I did not vote reform, voted independent - but if we hadn’t have had good independent options would have been tempted by reform just to get our incompetent Labour council out.

you call cry racist and facist but frankly Labour has been a shot show for out council and we need them out.

I do get the Reform voting - but I don't see how Reform are offering any solutions.

We literally can't stop people arriving in boats, if they are doing so to claim asylum. Will Reform opt out of all the international refugee agreements and the ECHR? And then what? Setting up camps to hold people? Assuming that we don't process any more asylum cases, what do we do when countries won't take people back?

And what then when other countries impose massive tariffs on the UK for opting out of agreed processes?

In terms of the NHS, I understand why people feel it isn't working. But every other alternative will cost us a lot more money. Maybe that's inevitable. It will make us all poorer though. You can't compare costs from other countries because it costs billions and billions to dismantle an old system and billions (and decades) to develop a new one. Anyone with a pre-existing condition is really fucked. The diabetes example is a good one - the cost of pumps is enormous, for example.

I know many call them illegal but the whole premise of claiming asylum means you have not sought permission to be here but are now once here, asking to do so based on whatever you claim in your application.

I am not convinced that all Reform voters are bothered only by boat people. Not at all. I think many are bothered by legal migrants too. The scale of the conversation about immigration tells me that.

That is not to say boat people are not an issue.

But it's not sustainable. Honestly it baffles me why people can't see that! As many posters have said, there's many options between completely free and a US style system, people would just need to accept that the NHS is no longer able to do what it was set up to.

OP - If you were not going to come back not sure what the point of this post was other than to get an anti reform pile on.

100% this. ^

No political party is suggesting the NHS will not be free at the point of use.

Abortion for young foreign women is not a good use of the public purse, I'm not desperately keen on abortion for non life threatening issues anyway but that's a whole other thread.

I'd love to see yout sources for your statement about people refusing ambulances please - when I had my accident I was unconscious while being put in an ambulance and the paramedics I assure you were far more concerned with saving my life than frisking me for a credit card. The conversation about insurance came later when I was in hospital and stable. So much scaremongering!

Reform have said that for every foreign worker a company employs and trains they will have to employ a British worker as well, which seems fair enough to me.

I’d love to know why people vote Labour when they’ve been horrendous.

Because if you’re on benefits and have more than 2 kids they’ve been fantastic.

It's perfectly well able to do what it was set up to do.

What it can't do is everything that's being asked of it now.

Because if you’re on benefits and have more than 2 kids they’ve been fantastic.

Do lots of pensioners vote Labour?

Actually, yes you're right. I was thinking of it's statement about providing all healthcare needs free at the point of use. But yes, you're exactly right, it's what is being expected of it now that's the issue.

It's a shame that the UK and the US are the only two countries with healthcare and there are no other countries we can learn from.

LibDem as they have been in local council for donkeys here and generally do a decent job on local matters.

It’s just another in the current series of anti-Reform threads framed as “just asking an innocent question”.

Each one has the shared and intended outcome of name calling and insults.

I applaud the minority who are able to engage in thoughtful and respectful discussion regardless of their political perspective.

You don’t know what their status is. They may have an indefinite leave to remain, a visa or even be citizens. In which case they have the same right to health care as you do. Your opinion on abortion is irrelevant because in this country abortion is legal. Because abortions are limited after certain point of gestation, the time is crucial for women who want to have one.

Here is the link to the information regarding refusing ambulances in US. Your situation was different because you obviously had insurance. Otherwise you would have been paying $$$$$$.

yougov.com/en-us/articles/49738-one-quarter-americans-didnt-call-ambulance-medical-emergency-costs-poll

No? But I see where you’re going with this. As state pensions are legally a benefit.

But most pensioners don’t see it like that, they see it as a right after paying NI for years. That is a whole different thread.

All the parties have committed to keeping the triple lock, rightly or wrongly. Labour hasn’t done anything special for pensioners that other parties wouldn’t have done.

Labour actually pissed off the pensioners with the winter fuel fiasco.

And there is the crux, its the none insured that aren't using ambulances. Why on earth would you not have insurance? It was part of my visa requirements but even as a poor student I made it a priority. There needs to be a drastic change of mind set in this country.

We've had the pleasure of a Reform council for a whole year following the local elections last May. Since then, they've been making a right dog's breakfast of things and have managed to alienate a large proportion of their supporters with increases in council tax and unpopular (and in some cases, ridiculous) decisions relating to everything from car parking to bin collections. Many comments on local FB pages to the effect of "never voting for that shower again" or similar suggest a high level of disillusionment. So, with any luck, all the new Reform councils will balls things up so much in local government that they'll lose a shedload of voters by the next GE.

I'm hoping we come out of ECHR and instead create a UK bill of rights that gives same protections...

That's like saying I'm going to give a dubious person all my cash and then hope they give it back to me. I would not trust the money behind those people to do anything that was in regular people's best interests. Can you not see they have an agenda and it is not making life easier for us regular folk!

It's perfectly well able to do what it was set up to do.
What it can't do is everything that's being asked of it now

Should it do dentistry? what shouldn’t it be doing now?