If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

What would happen to my oldest who has T1 diabetes under a different system? Having spoken to people in the USA who struggle with affording insulin and can't get insulin pumps or CGMs I'm not looking forward to any system where items aren't free on the NHS.

This is the long and short of it. Shout ‘racist’ all you like but a lot of the electorate are sick of being used as a source of freebies.

I mean if you really need some hints:
-Lucy Connelly case (imprisoned for a tweet)
-Rhiannon Whyte murder
-Tom Roberts murder in Dorset committed by an Afghan, an already convicted murderer who posed as a schoolboy to get residence in the UK
-The persecution of people like Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson
-Peter Lynch death
-Ed Milliband blathering on about net zero and windmills while people have to choose between heating and eating

Look up those things and that should get you started.

let’s start a thread to bully Reform voters and call them racist! Why not start a thread for labour voters and call them thick, ignorant, blind idiots ?! If you can’t see the problems we are facing in this country, sadly you are part of the problem.

I think people voted for Reform because they are tired, and scared.

The cost of living is squeezing most of us dry. Private sector can no longer afford to pay wages, (or aren't incentivised to cut shareholder profits to do so,) and the government slashing the public sector has left tens of thousands out of work, with more to come when the councils reform. All in the name of saving money but these were tax-paying people (and vital roles) and the finances will not balance out over the longer-term.

There are very few jobs available, and each newly advertised role is getting hundreds of CV's. People can't pay their mortgages, or afford small luxuries, and they are terrified. Women are giving birth in the street because the hospitals are full, and people are dying because they can't get the treatment they need. The benefits bill is higher than the tax bill, and harder times are coming.

No single party is representing what the people want. We want jobs so that we can support ourselves and our families, we want flexibility to be able to afford childcare, we want accessible healthcare, we want to feel safe walking down the street.

Meanwhile, the media is shoving down our throats the migrants streaming in and costing money, our services, and more than this, we are seeing it and feeling it, in our hospitals, our town centres. It feels a lot more real and right-now to people than naughty billionaires not paying taxes.

People feel there is a rejection and a taboo of British culture. Despite white Britishism being a tiny minority of the world's population, we are being vilified for celebrating our culture in our own country. I have seen this - my workplace telling me not to say "Merry Christmas" or not to have a Christmas party in case it alienates staff members or makes them uncomfortable.

To clarify, I would never vote for Reform, because I find them abhorrent. And I think the Greens are insidious and even more dangerous to our nation as a whole than Reform. Labour have proved themselves useless and out of touch, and Conservatives had their shot and made things worse.

I don't know what the answer is, honestly. But you asked why people are voting Reform, and it is because they want change. I hope the party in power starts listening soon before we see serious consequences.

They’re a reform supporter….doubt very much that education was high on their agenda!

aaah the gift that keeps on giving.

Posters too thick to RTFT

Immigration is good for this country
It means the business owners ( wealthy people) can pay less to workers , because there are so many people going for each job ,they can choose people who will work for less .
So that benefits millionaires who generally vote conservative..keeps the rich getting richer .
Immigration is good for our country because it keeps the house prices up ,more demands for housing means higher rents landlords can charge ,again making the rich richer ..
The rents being high ,due to extra demands on housing ,means people in normal jobs can't afford the rent ..so housing benefit is paid to top them up ... basically the government is paying the housing benefit to the landlords ( wealthy people) to pay their mortgages..so again immigration benefits the rich.
Expensive areas to live , don't tend to have a lot of asylum seekers, because it costs to much to house them in those areas ..so those people are free to vote green ,as their communities don't change ,and their daughters are safe to walk the streets,and they feel superior calling anyone (whos local area is flooded with men) racist for being unhappy with this ..
All of which is why conservatives allowed so much immigration, because it benefits the rich ..when you are a millionaire you can choose where you live ,so issues don't effect you .

DH is an immigrant and a Muslim. He’s a senior consultant and pays masses of tax through PAYE and his private practice.

He voted Reform because he is appalled by the level of illegal immigration, the dishonest discourse around all immigration and the disingenuous way liberals pretend that nothing can be done about any of it. He left his home country to escape intolerance and extremism, not to be forced to embrace it because some naive idealogues have decided anyone who points out the blindingly obvious is a meanie.

Reform is proposing to cut down minimum wage. They are against banning 0 hours contracts. So despite getting rid of immigrants people are going to be paid less.
They want to get rid of the latest changes in legislation protecting the renters. So the renting market is not going to get better for people on low incomes.

I wasn't going to bother replying on here as any mention of Reform usually brings out the "I'm so superior and you are uneducated racists" brigade who, ironically, seem to be less able to consider other viewpoints than those they criticise but am relieved to see others who have a more thoughtful approach to this. Those people who jump on to criticise posters for grammar or formatting and dismiss them as morons need to take a long, hard look at themselves.

I didn't have an election this time and have never voted Reform but live in an area where they have gained ground recently and think many people here are just tired of feeling overlooked and not supported by the traditional parties at a time when their lives are hard and, some think, being made harder by immigration.

Farage himself has said he wants a US-style insurance system for Britain. Trump wants it, and so do their friends, the billionaire owners of health insurance companies. I wouldn't be surprised if Farage himself is a shareholder in several of these companies. They all stand to benefit from it, but not ordinary people, who will end up paying £1000 or thereabouts for an ambulance (ambulances cost Americans around $1000!) and the insurers frequently refuse to pay out.

It is all about making themselves richer.

I suspect they want to get rid of immigrants because then the NHS will collapse, then they can usher in their insurance system. They can't fleece off the public while the NHS is still around but they can - and WILL - once they've collapsed it.

Just another point: Farage is happily accepting payments from billionaire backers, as we know, how do we know he hasn't from US insurers, to make this happen for them? His "Party" is a Ltd company, why is it structured like that, and not as a political party? Is that because it is easier to hide his bribes?

Surely it should be made illegal for political parties to be "companies"?

Spot on. Immigration benefits the rich more than anybody, but no one wants to admit that.

Well said, it annoys me that many voters don’t realise that and base their vote on national issues. Even though Reform did well in the local elections, that does not mean that they will form the next government. It’s more likely to be a hung parliament with no party in overall control.

i did not vote Reform, I really do not agree with many of their “ policies “ that they spout on about without stating how they are going to fund them. I believe Nigel Rarage has said they are not ready to run the country yet. I voted for our current representative who has done a lot of work locally to improve our services, campaigning on things such as getting extra funding for a new hospital which was promised by the government but now withdrawn and helping residents fight excessive new housing without the provision of new services. Very local issues at a local election.

I am not sure how I’ll vote in a general election, I’ll weigh things up at the time.

I voted reform as they are no worse than anti semitic greens and vastly more corrupt labour local councillors. Pointless voting lib dem or tory

It’s intended as a warning ahead of a GE. Thats why there’s so much pressure now for Starmer to go.

I didn't vote Reform but I know people who did and don't think it's hard to understand why.

They didn't vote for Reform. They voted for 'Change' - whatever that means....

Like it or not, most people don't read the full manifestos. They read the bits that Reform (insert other party) share on social media which are designed to resonate with the general feelings of disillusionment with the status quo.

People feel let tired, down, squeezed, disappointed, poor, betrayed and angry that the Tories and Labour have passed the baton back and forth between them for decades and yet, here we are.

They voted for Reform, they voted Green they voted for something different.

As to why people voted Reform at local level which is essentially about bin collections and pot holes, it's because it's the one of the few occasions when Jo Bloggs on the street gets to have a voice and express frustration. Simple.

I don't think it's more complex than that.

Can you provide a source for this, "Farage himself has said he wants a US-style insurance system for Britain"?

Meanwhile, here is what has been validated: https://fullfact.org/health/reform-nigel-farage-pay-for-nhs-labour/

A newly elected candidate on a local forum wrote 'I have no idea what powers a councillor has'.

Someone who was elected yesterday and is publicly saying they don't actually know anything about the job they applied for.

At least the established party candidates are prepped before standing. Reform just cold call (proven) anybody.

I remember reading an article written by a journalist who was on the subway in New York when a young woman on her way home from work asked for assistance. She could feel a seizure coming on and was worried about being robbed or assaulted whilst she was unable to get away. It turned out that this poor woman could not get epilepsy medication covered on her insurance and could not afford to pay for it although she was working. So she just had to have seizures.
I think people honestly don't realise how bad the American system is when it is not the gold-plated service that some people get, sometimes. Even those that can afford an amazing policy often have to fight and challenge to get their needs covered if the provider deems it not necessary or a 'nice-to-have'. And often there is a limit on the costs you can incur, and then you are paying for it yourself, on top of the policy that you have to keep going.

I just wanted to say thank you for a well thought out response to the OP’s question that is more than the usual recycled Mail/Express etc headlines and that only addresses national issues, none of which Reform would actually sort out in a way which would benefit most of their voters.

I may fundamentally disagree with you but I can at least respect that you’ve given the issue proper consideration. And that you understand the difference between local and national government!

By far the most immigration is due to work and students. The Marriage route less so.
Employers sponsor immigrants who apply for work. So employers will need to be told to stop doing so.
Students. The universities funding model presently means they rely on overseas students heavily. And seek overseas students.

Whoever is in power will have to talk to employers and universities if these categories are to slow down.

Not sure what placing abortion forms on a coffee table has got to do with anything. Abortion is healthcare. Presumably obtaining abortion was as important for those women as getting treatment for your issue was for you.

With regards to USA, people who have good health insurance get good treatment, those who don’t, cannot afford the basic treatment. People are refusing ambulances because they know it would put them in debt.
Because healthcare is just another industry, the prices are inflated and the insurers are lining their pockets. My daughter is asthmatic. If we lived in USA and didn’t have an insurance, we would be paying up to $500 for an inhaler.

My apologies. I should have said illegal immigrants.
Those who come to work and contribute to society are a different thing