If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

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I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

I think the concern is though, that NF wouldn't be up for setting up not for profit healthcare, and all for the US model. There are some good examples of well funded and pretty well functioning systems in Europe (and also the option to self fund privately should you wish), but would he promote that or something that has $$$ opportunity in it for him (and his ilk)?

Not sure what placing abortion forms on a coffee table has got to do with anything. Abortion is healthcare. Presumably obtaining abortion was as important for those women as getting treatment for your issue was for you.

Can you HONESTLY not see why the pp was a bit peeved that she struggled to get care because women who were not even speaking the language of the country they were (presumably) living in were accessing free healthcare?
I honestly sometimes think we have all gone a bit crazy.
We cannot afford it and the vast majority of the UK think this is unsustainable in the current climate.
Unless they are under 60, university educated and travel extensively of course.
Remember all the crowing about 'the grown-ups being in charge' when Laboour won the last election mainly as a protest vote against the Tories?
The same has happened but thus time againsr Labour, who had 14 years to put together coherant policies but basically relied on not being the Tories and thought that would be enough (it seems it is for some MNetters tbf)
The backbenchers who put pressure on a weak PM to backtrack on the benefits reforms plus the removal of the two-child cap for UC paved the way for Thursday to happen.
So you can be as faux confused as you want but most people do not think like you do and the sooner the liberal left wake up to this, the better.

Because not all employers provide one, because many people can’t afford to pay it privately. There are millions of people on low wages in US. If you looked at that article you would learn that even having insurance doesn’t protect from unexpected costs. Many people are in medical debt despite having health insurance.

I think if people had to pay for health care maybe they would start looking after themselves more. Lots of screenings are free in this country but how many people take that for granted and don't bother going. You only have to look at the threads on here about smear tests and how many women don't have them regularly.

If you're paying for health and in that policy you get say yearly mole check ups, and other check ups are we more likely to go because we want to get "good value for money". We tend to do cure in this country rather than prevention.

People should have the self awareness not to be aggressive to Reform voters. Like with Brexit, it just hardens resolve. The virtue signalling of those who chose to vote differently can be deeply off-putting. It's also part of the reason why Trump got elected - people are sick of the woke narrative and just want to earn their living honestly and reap the rewards of that. People laying into a Reform voter, just like a Brexit voter, should really think about the impact they are having and raise the bar of discussion.

I didn't say “It was”, I said “It felt like...”. For you it was clear. I get to decide for me, and you get to decide for you.

Are you really trying to argue that the lack of paragraphs has no impact on the readability of the opening post? That was my first thought. I didn't choose how I engaged with the piece, it was an immediate reaction. I was taught that paragraphs broke text down into readable sections for getting points across — aka “the norm”.

The OP chose an unconventional style that my eyes, and in turn my brain, disliked intensely. It felt suffocating to me. That was my first thought. The message itself was lost before I had even read the first five sentences.

It took three attempts to finish and was not worth the effort. But you keep dismissing a perfectly reasonable criticism about readability.

As for the idea that I would have been fine with it if it "converged" with my political opinions:
1 That might be difficult, because there isn’t a single political party my views align with enough for me to choose them if there was an election tomorrow.

2 I am an equal-opportunity hater. Even if I agreed with every single point being made, if it’s hard to read, my knee-jerk reaction will still be to switch off and comment accordingly.

OK, so would my DS do then because insulin would have to be paid for at grossly inflated prices? Is that what we would become? A country where people die because a basic treatment is unaffordable?

Remember when Farage sold people the lie that Brexit would be good for the uk? Instead it has resulted in lots more illegal immigration, trashed the economy, lost us the ability to live and work in mainland Europe freely.

do people not have memories, can they not see Farage and his ilk are corrupt snake oil salesmen?

Despite op's faux innocent assurance that they are interested in the reasons people voted reform, this is nothing more than a 'Reform voters post here so you can be mocked and ridiculed and told that you are stupid and that what you write is lies with no counter evidence presented'. What a waste of time. I didn't vote reform and don't intend to. However many of the issues raised by reform voters really are happening. Islam really is an anti semitic misogynistic and homophobic religion that doesn't align with British values like tolerance and respect and Islam's aims really are to convert non Islamic nations to their religion and non Moslems really are considered to be scum and not worthy of lawful treatment. Tolerance and respect are wonderful values to have when they are reciprocated. However when they are abused it's the cue to take a different approach and to stand up for yourself to protect what you value.

@caringcarer Your comment about students loans really does reveal your level of ignorance.
Overseas students should not be able to get money from SLC because so many go back home and never repay this money. If they want to study in UK there own countries should lend them money and get it back after graduation.course

International students are not allowed to access funding from SLC. International students are a money making scheme that UK universities need or they would collapse. UK students pay just over £9,000/ year. International students pay between £11,000 and £38,000/year. I work at a middle ranking university and we charge between £20 - 26,000/ year depending on the course and that's before food, accommodation and other living expenses.
Are you actually capable of independent thought of do you blindly accept every piece of shite you're exposed to?

@2dogsandabudgie Do you really think charging for smears would make them more popular?

The difficulty is we have an ageing population that is very expensive healthcare wise. Are you proposing it’s just young people who pay more for healthcare?

Do you honestly think that whether or not you should be able to access healthcare should come down to your command of the language? And surely an abortion on the NHS is cheaper for the state than the whole life healthcare and education of a child (if the cost is a concern)?

If Reform were really serious about economic growth they would scrap the triple lock.

When has Farage and Reform said they want a US style health care system?

Any party that puts that in their manifesto would never get elected.

Im happy to move to a European healthcare model but that increased cost needs to be shared by all

Protest vote. The arrogance from both Labour and Tory for ignoring immigration concerns for decades. Also for the virtue signallers that have shouted RACISM for every immigration concern over the past 20 odd years.

And that is the issue @ilovesleep6 too many do not want to accept the reality

People think it was wrong for labour to increase employers NI but employers social security’s taxes are similar in other countries to pay towards pensions and healthcare and there isn’t the same culture of private pensions.

The fair thing would be the best person gets any job regardless of their nationality or other demographics.

But immigration has been the main mechanism for economic growth, that’s why the Tories did little to reduce it during their time.

I’m not sure that’s true, there’s a lot around prevention but people don’t want to see it and dismiss it as ‘nanny state’.

There’s stuff around healthy weight, lowering sugar quantities, discouraging junk food, healthy school meals, stop smoking services, alcohol awareness campaigns, sun cream campaigns, exercise promotion, talking therapy services, free contraception services, free STI tests, sleep support, blood pressure checks, free health checks for over 40s etc etc. These prevention and support services are out there to stop people developing a health issue that needs expensive NHS treatment

The best things people can do for their health are not smoke, limit alcohol, exercise and eat healthy foods to be a healthy weight. But many people don’t want to know.

That's a huge question and will swamp the thread of it goes there, perhaps start another.

You mean growth in GDP.

Unfortunately the only growth that helps people is GDP per head.

@eyeballer

We have to import nurses now. My mum and my sister were able to train as nurses via an NHS bursary. It was a well established pathway which financially enabled them to work in the NHS. That pathway is now non existent for older people with commitments.

Many people who go into nursing want to do it later in life and life experience helps. Perhaps we need to invest at home. Like I said, I’ve gave my reason and I stand by it.
As did many others by all account.

I don't think he has explicitly said this, but I think it is a concern for many people as they are pro private 'partnership' and involvement to a far greater degree than lots of people are comfortable with. When people think of private involvement they think of the American system, and without clarification as to what a health system overhaul would actually mean and how it would be funded people are wary. Something like the French or German system would probably be acceptable to lots of people but they don't know so much about the ins and outs of it. And, would a system like that be acceptable to Reform?