If you voted Reform, I would love to know why?

[AplineDaisies]

I am not here to judge so would just like to hear from Reform voters for their reasoning.

The UK has almost open borders policy.

No, we absolutely do not.

We cannot afford to pay for the people who already live here and yet almost everyday between 100-200 more illegal immigrants come.

They are not illegal. We have, rightly, signed up to take refugees. If a Reform government had been in power in the 1930s, hundreds more people would have died in concentration camps. Is that OK with you?

To process each on cost £12k. They all need accomodation on average costing taxpayer £41k each per year.

They are either processed so that they are admitted, or deported. The majority are found to have valid claims, and can go on and get jobs here and become net contributors to our economy. They don't therefore cost £41K or anything like it per year. We are absolutely dependent on immigration to keep the NHS and many other services going. Under the current government, we are deporting those without a valid claim much more quickly.

And that's just the first part of that rant.

I mean, if people actually read their last manifesto they would see over and over it promised to keep free at the point of access healthcare.

I like Reforms commitment to get rid of red tape. In healthcare, policing and business.

I like Reforms commitment to lowering taxes, taking many of the lowest paid out of tax (compare with the massive tax burden Labour have placed on the lowest paid and businesses)

I like their commitment to a patriotic curriculum, putting our past into a true context rather than the ridiculous and highly uneducated grunts of “Britain bad, rest of the world good” when it comes to history.

I like their commitment to remove trans ideology from all schools.

I believe they would not just cut down on the people coming to the UK but look to protect our heritage and culture by making sure people already here tried to integrate more rather than constantly clashing with British culture.

The rich out there, Farage included, want people to lay the blame for everything that is wrong in this country on the shoulders of immigrants.
That narrative suits them very well of course because it keeps us looking elsewhere & not at them.

There are a lot of very wealthy people & companies in this country doing very well despite the global problems that currently exist but who cleverly manage to avoid paying the correct amount of tax
That is more of an issue than immigration.

Reform will protect the rich and ensure they pay even less tax and will lay more of the burden on the poorer members of society.

They will remove the NHS and we will have an underclass of people who can't afford health care like in the US.
They are an openly racist party who will make life very difficult for some people in this country.
They will sow even more division in society than we have already.

And they have inexperienced members who have no track record in running the country. If they win in the GE in a few years it will be a sh*t show.
But before that happens they will no doubt have run the councils they have recently acquired into the ground so hopefully people will have had a wake up call just in time.

Agreed, what the fuck? Learn to write properly, or were you too busy frothing at the mouth about benefits to use the return key?

I watched some of the campaign footage yesterday from various independent candidates in Birmingham and if I hadn’t known they were elections taking place in the UK, I would have assumed they were overseas.

Reform are absolutely not for the working class, or anyone that’s not in the top 1%. They are corrupt and bought out by oil and gas companies, property tycoons and billionaires and that’s where Farage’s interests lie.

could you explain what you mean by decline of national culture and two tier justice?

Do you mean all the candidates were Black or brown?

When people say something has to change, or that they’re willing to give anything a go, I always wonder at the optimism of that sentiment.

Things in this country absolutely aren’t great, and I think to a large extent Labour are in a position where there are very few levers left to pull to genuinely improve things, and probably a lack of ideas as so what the hell to do to make a meaningful difference.

Having said that though, things clearly could get far, far worse than they are at the moment.

You only have to look at the recent trajectory of the US and the results of their own “radical change” candidate. A loss of world status, embroiled in a pointless war they are desperately struggling to get out of but don’t know how to end, an armed paramilitary style force intimidating and even killing people on, a leader who openly refers to journalists doing their jobs at fat pigs or bitches, who talks about wiping out a civilisation, the huge increase in barely concealed corruption, the coursening of political discourse and public life….

You could go on all day listing the ways in which things became worse. And all through that happening, Farage has been a Trump friend and supporter, watching and learning on the sidelines exactly how people’s fears and desperation can be exploited and turned into power and wealth.

So again, this idea that we should try something new because it can’t get any worse…it really can, and there are plenty of reasons to think that it will.

Exactly.

@BigYellowBus in scotland EU students do….

I very much doubt many people who come via small boat are net contributors to our economy. You generally need to earn over £41k minimum to be a net contributor, which is above the average wage. But happy to be proved wrong if you have a source.

If they had the earning power to be net contributors, they wouldn’t have come via small boat. They could have come via a legal channel.

You do realise many people lie in order to get asylum, don’t you? Helped by human lawyers who advise them to say they’re gay, or Christian, or another persecuted minority. It’s usually bollocks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c937wldkkw8o

Thanks for the thread @AplineDaisies. I, too, am genuinely interested in what Reform policies (perhaps other than on immigration) people who vote for them are convinced will improve their own lives. As well as make the country a better place for most people (e.g. struggling mothers, pensioners, disabled adults/kids etc).

So, I shall read this thread with interest.

No, they were all talking about issues taking place overseas.

Yes we could look to countries on the continent and we could also look to how much they pay in taxation too.
People assume we pay the highest tax in this country but actually we don't.

Good public services mean paying more tax but people in this country seem to resent paying any tax at all.

But why are we dependant on immigration to keep the NHS going? If we had fewer people here the pressure in the NHS would be less, the newly qualified doctors could get work rather than being kept out of a job by an immigrant. We could downs some of the billions we use in immigration to make jobs in the NHS more attractive. By encouraging people back to work we could save billions in welfare.

So immigration is not the only way to keep the NHS afloat, even if it were - what price are we willing to pay, the collapse of society? The erosion of our culture?

I know a few reform voters. All of them over 60, never went to university and lived in the same little town their entire life. And ironically use the NHS more than the average person.

Farage has a big pattern of saying what people want to hear and then going back on it. The NHS would be gone. His only interests are his sponsors.

He promised to cut council tax and then in fact increased it everywhere there was a Reform council.

Perhaps you should have said so.

What was the source of the footage you saw?

People resent paying tax because it’s squandered on vanity projects and mainly spunked against the wall rather than on things which improve people’s lives

The problem is there is no party for the working class anymore, or even the workers in general.

It used to be Labour, but now they are more the party of welfare.

If I had to pick, I’d probably say Tories are the closest thing to a party for working people and that would only be if I really really had to choose .

Yes that is the problem, governments of the last 20 years have treated people as blank cogs you can moved around. They all have their own cultures etc which won't be changed. We probably needed a low number of high quality immigrants from 20 years ago to offset the effects of the retirement of baby boomers (but even then we didn't have to make them citizens like countries such as Japan as it is a temporary blip).
Instead the government imported infinity numbers of low quality people who are a massive net cost and some who are hostile to the West/Jews/women to the point of terrorism and have incompatible cultures and even worse given out British passports like confetti so they are here forever.
And governments didn't improve public services, increase housing etc so everything is alot worse than 20 years ago and they have piled debt onto our children. No wonder hardly anyone wants to vote for the parties who did all this.

What vanity projects would these be? Do tell.

Most people resent paying taxes and NI when they don't see the return in public service delivery. That's when most people get pissed about taxation levels.

How do you know the “NHS would be gone”?

if you want to see people going back on their word see UTurn Starmer