Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

I think you need to look into grooming and what occurs when that happens. Saying ‘Why would you audition for that if he abused you?’ - not that simple sadly. Children and adults that have suffered this kind of abuse have complicated relationships with their abusers. Some of them being groomed for many months/years.

i am old enough to remember the court case. If he was guilty what went wrong with the trial out of interest?

When I was in the Brownies we had a priest who was a MJ look alike who would wear sparkly socks . He ended up getting one of our troop pregnant he disappeared I stopped going to that Church Hall and so for me believing MJ was a Predator. The High pitched voice was for show he literally was a masquerade and a very disturbed Powerful Apex Predator operating in plain sight and parents were trading in their children if they let them sleepover. He even drugged child cancer patients according to allegations. He let them sip a little alcohol if that doesn’t make you shudder sharing Jacuzzi baths with young boys where his adult pants would be next to the boys pants according to his maid.

When he said he was Bad I believed him the crotch fondling, the surgery that made him look like a clown. Its the stuff of nightmares for his victims.I did feel sad about seeing behind the magic and it goes to show how hollow the entertainment world is and here they are rehashing the Pied Piper again because he played a good tune. I think Janet Jackson has taken a moral stand and will not make money off this fictional version of events and his daughter admits it’s far from the reality of her fathers lifestyle. Believe the Maid, the sister ,the daughter but most important of all the Victims brave enough to speak of the abuse some of those Child Cancer Victims that was their last experience of so called kindness. We owe our Vulnerable and our young better redemption arcs than rebranding a monster with star power for money.

Yeah I get that. I’m just putting out the other side of why people believe he was innocent.

I’m not a staunch defender. I just don’t agree with trial by media so have looked into it a fair bit.

That's what 'hiding in plain sight' means.Same as Jimmy Saville. He told us what he was doing.

Yes

Sounds like you really do believe his innocent to me. I don’t understand how everyone is okay with the fact he openly admitted to sleeping with children, that in itself is a massive red flag. No one else would be able to whitewash that and get away with it. Imagine.

Yes and it’s so blindingly obvious I’m disgusted that people so adamantly defend him just cos they like his songs!! it’s honestly absurd

He paid them off !!! No innocent person would do that if they was accused of being a peadophile

Yes and I can’t believe the amount of sane people willing to say he just had mental health issues. He surrounded himself with young boys. They use McCauley Culkin as evidence for him not being a paedophile.

his property and grounds were searched and nothing found.

This is just not true - unless you believe photographs of nude children are "nothing".

Yes.

There was no way those families would have won a court case against him. He could have said "I'm guilty" and his lawyers still would have got him off and his fans would have still found a way to blame the families.

So I actually think the families settling out of court was the best they could have got.

I HATE how there are West end shows about him and radios still play his music. Even if he was never charged, surely it would be the best thing given how contentious it all is, to just let him fade away.

He groomed the families as well, it happens.

Another on the fence.

For me Wade Robson is not credible.

He has lied at least once, either during the trial for the defence, or for the Leaving Neverland documentary.

We have met (and agreed!) on other threads about this....but yes agree these 3 programmes have enough to convince me.
And literally no one (fans) would accept the same behaviour from any random adult man but somehow MJ is beyond reproach

Yes, absolutely.

That's why I never listen to his music anymore and I am shocked that so many peoplenare choosing to ignore the evidence and see the recent film about his life.

I know. I mentioned on here that i didn't think he was a great singer and i was called racist. Seemingly it was obvious the reason i didn't rate him as a singer was because he was black.

Haven't RTFT so apologies if someone else has shared the same thought. One thing that I think clearly points to him being the predator he is accused of being is:

If he was just 'child-like' and 'enjoyed the company of children', why is it all little boys? Why was he not enjoying the friendship of little girls? Why are there no accusations from girls, if it's all just a money grab? He was sexually attracted to boy children and he abused them; that's why.

Yes I do believe it, I'm a mental health nurse and have listened to many people tell their stories about being abused in my 30 + year career. I thought Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck were authentic and believable.

As pp said even what we saw in public was grooming in plain sight.

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Yes. Like many of us on here, I’ve experienced CSA and I was shocked when I saw the trailer in the cinema and realised it was an attempt to rehabilitate his reputation.

10 Undeniable Facts About the Michael Jackson Sexual-Abuse Allegations | Vanity Fair

Worked with him in what way

A lot of people have been "cancelled" for far less serious allegations. I was never a great fan of his anyway and I always find it strange his music still seems to be played everywhere.

He was a fantastic singer. Love his music