Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

The MJ wikipedia pages are clearly edited by fans and extremely biased.

I quickly skimmed and I see that page doesn't mention that 2 jurors afterwards (possibly 3) said they thought he was guilty.

Yes.

I know it’s true but I’m so conflicted, I don’t want to believe it.

I worshiped him growing up. I had his posters all over my walls, went to see him in concert twice, I was obsessed with him and his music from around 5-15.

I still love his music now, but it’s quite hard to reconcile this person you idolised as a child to the horrors we have since found out via these documentaries. I kind of treat them as 2 different people in my head.

Yes it covers it "On the initial vote, nine jurors voted to acquit Jackson, while three voted guilty.[84] On June 13, 2005, they returned a verdict of not guilty on all charges."

Ah, it doesn't post their comments after the trial though where they said they still thought he was guilty.

I never really understood how he got uncancelled last time.

Completely. Im astounded how its being whitewashed. For me he was a classic abused child going on to be an abuser. If anyone has watched the testimony from those 2 men .... how anyone can deny that, it beyond me.

It's weird isnt it? Imagine if J Saville had been a pop star - would we still be listening to his tunes on the radio?

Absolutely believe he is guilty.

I do. Those poor poor boys. If this was any other celebrity, he’d be cancelled now. He just reached the highest level of mega stardom and people are in complete denial or thick.

Yes

I feel so sorry for all the kids the abused
They’ve been brave to talk about it as so many people wrongly feel ashamed

Predatory Paedophiles Playbook.

Held an important/god-like persona in society so no one could question him

Presented as an oddball to misdirect the media/community attention

Targeted families with absent and/or ineffective fathers or like in Jimmy Savilles
case children without their parents present.

Groomed the mothers who felt unloved and unwanted.

Admitted to sharing a bed with children and “loving them”- paedophiles never think they are harming the kids.

DARVO’d anytime it came up.

Discarded kids when they hit puberty

My opinion is this:
Michael Jackson apparently endured a particularly abusive childhood.
Awful as this was, this fact, I believe, was used as a smokescreen and an excuse for the "Peter Pan" image that he put on. Everyone who thinks he's innocent excuses his predatory behaviour as him never growing up, reliving his childhood. Rubbish.
Nothing about him was real. His appearance / voice even his skin colour (although he stated that he had a condition which caused this). The point is, I really think that he was an absolute fake.
He portrayed himself as some kind of saviour of the world, the animals and the children via his music. He also appeared to be so giving to children in need with the trips to his estate. This kindness, along with his undeniable talent, created such a persona.
I don't buy any of it. If it were Michael down the road, sharing a bed with young boys (always boys) there would be uproar. Why is he different? And, surely, even if it was all innocent, why on earth would anyone ever put themselves in that position again, to continue to invite children for "sleepovers"? Particularly given the amount of money he had and how liable he was to accusations given his financial status. You just wouldn't do it!
Also, the pay offs, most people would fight to clear their name, he could afford to. He had a lot to hide, in my opinion.

Because he was the biggest superstar in the world! He reached a level where he could do anything. No one told him no. He told us all out loud and therefore excused himself for his actions. His fans enabled it. Jarvis Cocker is a bloody hero.

Hidding in plane site.
Bit like Rolf Harris, Jake the Peg, extra leg stuff.
Savile constantly round kids.

Yes. I was a child in a swimming pool in the 1970s at a hotel overseas. MJ was staying there too. I was too small to remember, but apparently MJ kept coming up and saying hello to me in a weird breathy way. My mother, who loved music, got his autograph. My father, a child abuse survivor, flipped out and kept us away.
I still have the autograph somewhere.
My mother always thought MJ was a great musician. She was grieved and confused by the allegations.
My father died before the allegations emerged, but was sure MJ was a creep.
This was outing, so I am going to have to name change.

Somehow no concrete evidence of abuse has emerged. All I needed to know was that he built an entire kids playground in his mansion and invited unrelated little boys around for unsupervised “sleepovers”. Creep.

Even if you don’t believe he sexually abused the children (which he definitely did). How on earth is it appropriate for a rich and powerful, grown adult man to have personal friendships with little children? It’s all completely inappropriate and one day I think we will uncover the evidence, like with Saville.

That Earth Song performance was the height of cringe. He really bought into being some sort of saviour of children.

He was living the pedo dream, not all of them, but some pedos actually want full relationships with kids and the way they speak about kids is exactly how Michael speaks about them, "so innocent, so pure and blah blah and the people who have a problem with things like that are the real sickos..." When it was public he got to bring his little 'boyfriends' everywhere with him, well at least until they aged out, then he'd get a new one.

100%. MK could be a very astute businessman when he wanted to. For example, purchasing the Beatles catalogue was a very clever play that yielded him a lot of money. He didn’t get that rich being childlike, even if he did squander his money (like many other, non childlike celebrities).

Childlike people don’t make astute business deals. I have a childlike relative who has a developmental disorder and the cognitive functioning of a ten year old. She simply couldn’t lead the life Michael Jackson did, let alone outmaneuver grown competent adults in business. And we sure as hell don’t let her 28 year old self share a bed with kids

Yes I think he definitely was .

It's a movie 'celebrating' his life. F-that.

I know! We don't listen to Gary Glitter.

Yep, if he's that childlike then he definitely wasn't safe to be alone around kids. We know he had a substantial amount of porn, so this was an adult man in an adults body who we know had sexual interests and sexual needs, and he's sleeping in bed with kids all the time. Dangerous.

I don't believe he was that childlike at all, but just saying that when people say he was childlike that doesn't make it sound any better, or even less likely that he would have abused those kids.

No I don’t believe it.
his property and grounds were searched and nothing found.
In my view the people making the allegations were after nothing more than a payout!
Also the dates and places the two adults gave … they said it happened in his beautiful train station building on a set date…. But the station was still being built on those dates. The other lad gave dates but he was on holiday elsewhere with his parents on those dates - the Grand Canyon if I remember correctly from the documentary I watched! Also the parents of one of them had previously stood up in court and said in Michael’s defence to the earlier accusation that their children were never left alone with Michael and that he was NEVER alone with kids due to the amount of security around him.
He built never land as an escape for sick children and their families… they’d arrive by the coach load and stay for free, he wanted children to have a childhood because he didn’t, he worked tirelessly to ensure famous kids like Macauley K had a childhood, he stayed at MJ’s a lot and they were very close, MK being god parent to one of his children I believe … there is a good documentary out there where his best friend and god daughter talk about him. And they talk about the ‘evidence’ and how because MJ’s dead the legal system doesn’t investigate these claims in the same way. Think it was called ‘leaving neverland’ and any doubts I had before of his innocence were squashed.
I don’t believe it and think the 2 men that were actually family friends and attended his funeral were just after money… they wanted to be part of his funeral, and sat with his brothers and children… their noses were put out when his family wanted to make a film and the lads wanted to be directors and didn’t get the job!!…. It was only after that they decided to throw accusations…. I wish they’d do a proper investigation and look into these dates etc and prove either way whether it is true…. But because he’s dead they won’t do a criminal investigation like they would if he was alive.