Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

Also, if he spent most of his time with adult friends where is the evidence of this?

The evidence shows that he was obsessed with spending all his time with good looking boys of 7-13 years old.

@everyoldsock where are these ’ howlers’ ?

No you said "your theory about the inscription acting as a deliberate cover for him in case it was found is as credible as the theory of the inscription only referring to the cover", which just isn't accurate, the theory that the inscription referred only to the cover does not stand up to scrutiny whatsoever.

I disagree completely that that was the 'defining feature'. The defining feature in this case is that this was a grown man sleeping in bed with boys and who always had new 'special friends' that were around the same age.

I think MJ was murdered too. He told lots of people that he thought people were trying to kill him

I agree with you

Was it not likely that he was going to die anyway?
Hadn't he been using propofol for a long time?

Extreme sleep deprivation could easily cause paranoia and make him think people wanted to kill him.

I don't know much about that theory tbh, but I think even without Conrad Murray he wasn't going to live much longer.

Latoya, his sister, said that Michael said to her that people were trying to "take him out".

I mean, they had a reason to. He owned a lot of music publishing rights

Yes but I'm saying with that level of sleep deprivation someone could easily just be paranoid, and he was surely going to die soon anyway?

Why would that give them reason to? The music publishing rights surely went to his estate then? Unless you're saying that it wasn't outsiders, but people in the estate tried to kill him?

I believe they murdered him because he spoke out against the corruption within the industry and I think he fought a very good fight with what was available at the the time to him, until his death

Do you not think he was going to die shortly anyway?
I think it was inevitable.

He may or may not have lived on, that’s not the issue …

I think it's relevant because they could have just waited for him to die if they wanted him dead. Obviously there's no guarantees he was going to die but if they were close enough to murder him then they would have known the state he was in.

Its possible.

He was only 50 though

Had he lived on, he would have abused more children. At least that didn’t come to pass.

If anyone wants to watch Leaving Neverland, I found a link to a platform that still has it up

https://www.documentaryarea.com/video/Leaving+Neverland+Part+One/

I think we all don’t want to because of his great music. We would be being incredibly naive to think it’s not true.

I.always thought he'd never make old bones and I wasn't shocked when he died 😔 We had tickets to "This is it" but I had a feeling it would never happen.

@MyTrivia thanks, but I don’t feel 100% happy leaving bank details on that site…..can I ask do you remember what James said about ‘Milk’ something MJ told him ?

You don’t have to leave bank details. I clicked on the video and opened it to full screen and was able to watch it free 🙂

@SqueakyFromme Jimmy Safechuck doesn’t say anything about milk in the documentary itself but I believe that there are references to it in the court documents. And it refers to propofol which MJ used to get to sleep.

One of the biggest problems, despite the fact that there's plenty of information contradicting the allegations, whenever a fan puts forth information we're insulted. There's a narrative that individuals who support MJ are fanatical and overall a bit bonkers. That's just not true. Many of us are educated, intelligent and have done our research. I genuinely think that narrative stops people from speaking up.

I thought I watched Leaving Neverland a couple of months ago, are there different versions of it?

It has a big blurb over the front of it so you cant see the screen and it says to remove it you have to donate

It does say that but I clicked on it and it disappeared so was able to watch it.

If you’re intelligent and well educated then you should not be dismissing scores of victims and accusing them of lying - that is shameful.