Do you believe the Michael Jackson allegations?

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For me it’s undeniable and the evidence is overwhelming, but I’m shocked by the amount of people who don’t.

Don't feel bad. Well, everyone was listening to 'Bad', I know I was aged 8. He was an international phenomenon.

Speaking of mums and Jacko; I was obsessed with Janet Jackson when Rhythm Nation came out.

My mum was really worried that it would get found out that her and Michael were the same person and I'd be devastated?!

They definitely had the same surgeon but I don't think he was transsexual?!

The squeaky voice thing was definitely put on. Like why would he speak that way? To sound like he's been castrated so people think he's incapable of raping a kid?!

Thank you, I will try to find that.

I don't know. Its one of lifes mysteries.

I keep going from thinking he's innocent to thinking hes guilty to thinking hes innocent.

It is definitely an interesting case to look at.

There is evidencr, but there is not as strong evidence as in some other cases. Like irrefutble evidence.

Remember the messages that the lostprophet singer sent about abusing children to people. There was no denying that evidence.

I'll help you out @Scarlettjune. He's innocent. Xx

He was certainly weird. What kind of 30-something year old man invites young boys to sleep in his bed? I really cannot imagine that being an innocent situation. People say he was child-like, but as an adult he was able to have a successful career, make his own business decisions, get married, etc. So he can't have been so cognitively impaired that he didn't understand the weirdness of having sleepovers with young boys. The drawing of his penis by one of the alleged victims was apparently accurate (showing his distinctive vitiligo marks) so that child must have seen him naked.

It is odd but it made me think of something.

I was staying in my second cousins house in another country. It was only the second time id met her. She had her granddaugher (7 ) Ana, staying with her. I really did not know this child. I was sleeping on a large sofa bed. My cousin said "oh Ana can't sleep, she really wants to sleep in with you". I said yes and she slept on the other side of the sofa bed.
It seemed very innocent at the time.
Thinking back, maybe I should have said no. Its hard to say no to a child when they are scared and lonely.

But these weren't multiple situations MJ just happened to find himself in....
He set up the scenarios, with kids in his room. He owned a ranch with cottages where it was possible for parents people to stay, so kids, if invited, could, quite easily, have stayed with their parents. Im pretty sure there was an occasion where a kid stayed in a hotel room with him....as if he, a millionaire, couldn't have shelled out for the kid and their parents to have their own room or suite.
Although tbh given the nature of his stardom and wealth, Im sure several people (staff) must have known and facilitated his behaviour

In the early days when I was naive and silly, I used to think maybe he was innocent.

After ‘Leaving Neverland’ came to light, I really had to face up to the fact that this man was a serial offender. And has created a narrative that allows him to get away with it.

The evidence suggests he also wasn’t a morally upright man, generally. The way he treated his children was imo objectionable.

He was reported to steal expensive stuff from shops in the days when his debts had become huge and his credit cards were getting declined.

Like most narcissists, his relationships with people were for as long as they were useful to him and were switched up without a second thought.

Apart from the accusers, there are also many people who were just around and saw things. Like the guy who looked through the window and saw MJ snogging a child and putting his hands in his pants. He said he couldn’t believe what he was seeing.

Yes I believe it. Why would the men who detailed how he abused them as children not be believed? Why would the many witnessed elements of his inappropriate lifestyle - being constantly acconpanied by 'favourite' young boy children away from their parents, grooming parents, grooming good-looking boys, being alone in his mansion and in his bed with multiple young boys, paying off boys and their parents, sworn testimony of said boys etc etc.

Why would he, a grown man, sexually mature, with no intellectual incapacity, be magically 'childlike', harmless and of no risk whatsoever to the unrelated boys alone with him in his bed?

Deluded fans who don't want this to be true will always try to explain this stuff away, no matter how they have to twist and turn to do so. Favourites are that the accusers are all grifters after his money and poor Mikey was too sweet and naive to see them coming, and the repeated assertion that Jackson wasn't convicted at trial. If the many, many people who relied on Jackson's money, influence and favour had not stayed quiet, there would have been a much better chance of that. Jimmy Savile was never even brought to court despite being investigated several times: his national profile, famous friends and good works versus the say-so of poor kids and nobodies.

I had a conversation with someone I know recently who was saying how much she and her family had enjoyed the new biopic. She thinks the allegations are 'all lies'. This seems to be because she loves the music and his persona and doesn't want to have to change the way she thinks about him, but also because she's often oppositional to authority and sees Jackson as a kind of underdog. She's entirely prepared to think the men who were abused by Jackson as boys would maliciously make it up to make him look bad.

The way Jackson was indulged, as an A list celebrity and fabulously wealthy man is fully illustrated by his being allowed to acquire - as a single man, constantly at work - three infant children with no meaningful oversight.

In plain sight.

Highly narcissistic and manipulative, Lisa Marie said he was a master at manipulating the press but he had to be as a survival tactic, but that due to that she never really believed he loved her until after he died.

MJ said himself he would walk around with baby dolls crying because Lisa Marie wouldn't give him a baby straight away, Priscilla thought he was highly manipulative and said he he told Lisa Marie if she didn't want a baby with him that Debbie Rowe said she would have one 🙄

And that's an entirely different situation than if you were actively always getting close to little girls and sleeping with them and then replacing the most 'special friend' when they got older, and if you kept sleeping in bed with little girls after being accused of sexual abuse.

@kkloo the best manipulator of all time, has to be.

(im excluding dictators btw)

Reading more about Latoya's marriage, she was exploited by Gordon and forced to marry him (as well as being regularly physically assaulted). She made her statement about Jackson in December 1993, four months after the sex abuse allegations came out about Jordy Chandler. All in all, I'm inclined to believe she was coerced by Gordon to lie.

Or coerced to tell the truth!

I think Latoya is an incrediblely vulnerable, fragile damaged person.

She is horrifyingly thin (and Ive mentioned on here that Jackson must have had quite a severe eating disorder, no one can be that thin natuarally) and has the same face as Jackson, the eye work, nose work, mouth.

She has been abused by her father and parents, then the husband, then god knows who

She completely identifies with Jackson, they were the closest in the sibling group I think.

It he was innocent then it could be argued she wouldn’t have made a statement about this because that truth wouldn’t have been good for her profile, thus not lucrative. Funny how she never said anything about it all before the allegations emerged, not even in her 1991 book.

Yes exactly, if he was innocent she wouldn't have said he was committing crimes against kids in the first place.

I like the bit in her book where she said that Michael told her that if you want to know who someone really is then look in the bottom of their bedroom drawers.

And we know of course that Michael had books full of pictures of naked boys made by pedophiles locked in a filing cabinet in his room,

The most recent allegations throw them all into question. This family do NOT seem credible. At all. I urge you all to watch the full documentary 60 seconds published only five days ago…

Yes exactly, if he was innocent she wouldn't have said he was committing crimes against kids in the first place.

You missed the part when I mentioned the publicity and money aspects, whether she made the statement or not. If she suspected he was a paedophile surely she would have said something earlier. But everything had to revolve around her husband.

@everyoldsock
There's no 'surely' when it comes to stuff like this, we know that people don't always report pedophiles or speak up against them. Everyone knows this, family often turn a blind eye or brush it under the carpet.

But a lot of the Jackson family have soft voices. And he's always been known for it. I just don't believe at some point in his teens when his voice was changing that he purposely decided to speak in a high voice the rest of his life to present as non-threatening. I don't think any man with a natural deep voice would be able to maintain it that long.

Latoya probably backtracked on what she said because of the three children. People seem to forget this. It’s her niece and nephews after all.

Do you also believe that climbing trees was his favourite hobby? At 45 years old?

His voice was indeed quite high to begin with. However, it’s blatantly obvious to me that he set out to create an image of himself that had as little masculine energy as possible. So that when he said to people’s kids ‘if you love me you’ll sleep in my bed’ he could get away with it.

I don't think any man with a natural deep voice would be able to maintain it that long.

Of course they wouldn’t. Honestly, it’s amusing how some people here pretend he had a vastly different voice than what he did in private.

He probably had a slightly higher voice than the average bloke, he just did. He has a very similar voice to his mother if you listen to her

But its somewhat irrelevant anyway.