Facebook comments on crossing the channel and dead children

[Wolverine23]

Im shocked whatever one’s opinion on immigrants the laughing comments on dead children is truly horrific. One lady says best thing I’ve read all week’ !one click in her profile and it shows she’s a mum with kid herself. This is the ITV news page! I don’t even recognize this country anymore?

the amount of horrible comments. They are children, human beings. Truly horrific times we are heading into with a lack of empathy I thought I’d never seen given the history of WW2 as I said whatever opinions are on the Boats laughing at dead children and the comments is unsettling

Oh, I don't disagree, I think that unless the government gets a grip on the rising discontent they will have a bigger problem than Dave from Dagenham waving a St.Georges flag outside a hotel!
The sheer number of comments on social media should have very large alarm bells ringing, but they aren't listening.

Ready to be monstered here but this deserves more nuance. Anyone dying is awful and that’s why every effort should be made to discourage people going on these boats. The problem is what that effort is. One extreme support numerous safe routes where asylum can be claimed anywhere in the world but has no suggestion on how we will accommodate, feed, educate, provide housing and healthcare etc for the vast numbers who will arrive and will never suggest an upper limit on numbers. At the other extreme many would cheerfully open fire on the boats. Most have a view somewhere in between and are generally caring and compassionate but so far nothing has worked so we daily see large numbers of mainly young men from largely misogynistic and antisemitic countries arriving in our country and this worries many people from the viewpoint of cost, safety and social cohesion. The views are not racist but are genuinely worried people as there is a fair amount of evidence that this cohort on a per capita basis is responsible for a disproportionate level of crime from shoplifting to rapes, assaults and murders leaving aside the eye watering costs of accommodation etc. As a result people are losing all compassion and empathy and it will only get worse if this is not brought under control.
I am not racist and would feel the same regardless of the colour of those arriving ( I know many of you will not agree but it’s true). However if these boats were filled with women and children I and a lot of other people would be much more sympathetic and willing to help. However women and children don’t usually attempt these crossings even though most are living in utterly appalling circumstances as they are regularly sexually assaulted, raped and murdered as they try and make these journeys so it is not safe for them to travel hence all the young men.

This is a thread about women ages 16 and 20 dying on the crossing

So you and a lot of others should have that sympathy you seem to think exists.

Im afraid your words don’t portray the image you seem to think you hold.

I agree that the issue itself is more nuanced, but not the laughing emojis and the hateful comments. I don’t understand those and I can’t imagine that I ever will.

Besides the comments, I just wish Facebook would get rid of the fucking laughing reaction it’s an abomination. Sad pathetic weirdos laughing at police appeals for missing children of colour, posts like OP refers to, it’s just awful. It does more harm than good.

It’s disgraceful. People respond with a laughing emoji after reports of the deaths of people. And the comments people saying basically they don’t give a shit. I can’t think how any reasonable person can think like that let alone write it on the internet where anyone can see it. But then I suppose at least they’re showing others exactly who they are.

Well this is an outcome of voting to leave the EU. We have little allyship with neighbouring countries now. Prior to brexit, there was a lot more order and coordination with neighbours, such as France, in accommodating refugees and placing them.

People are blaming the influx of refugees on the refugees themselves without acknowledging the part they played in it (if they voted to leave). Be angry at the government for mismanagement but for goodness sake, if you have any humanity, you don't rejoice in someone's death when their only crime is trying to get a better life somewhere.

Celebrating the death of someone in this context is plain old nasty racism, no matter how you try to angle it.

I’ve just sent an email in to one as he’s a serving member of the army plastering uniform photos over his profile and commented that Tesco opening times were far more important than the deaths

I’m responding to the many previously posts discussing these issues. The thread has widened considerably so my comments are valid. I’m not sure what you think my image is but to be clear I don’t want people of any age or sex to die and I want illegal migration stopped completely as it’s harming my country.

Part of the problem is that engagement is engagement. The algorithm doesn’t care whether people are making racist comments or saying how awful something is, or whether a reaction is a crying face or a lol. So the more divisive a post or a news item, the better.

Can’t say I blame you for doing that.

I am not celebrating anyone’s death and am not sure how you managed to assume that from my post. Very few people are celebrating anyone’s death but are concerned about levels of illegal migration and its impact on their lives. While not the original point of the thread the impact of illegal immigration is how it has developed and what many posters wish to discuss which they are entitled to do and very few celebrate anyone’s death.
Brexit had had very little to do with the levels of illegal migration. It has happened for years but previously they came in lorries which had its own dangers but when authorities started to use advanced technologies this route became unviable and so the more risky boats began.
There was no EU cooperation as evidenced by the absurdity of The Dublin Agreement which cost a fortune, resulting in tiny number of people being sent back to the country of arrival and the UK was a net recipient in almost every year due to the lack of cooperation by our EU allies and the incompetent captured home office.
What you are correct about is that we should be furious with this and previous governments going back to the Blair one for letting this situation arise and doing nothing about it. Unfortunately every time we vote for a party that promises to sort this we are betrayed and nothing changes or it gets worse.

It's not actually illegal immigration. You can claim asylum in any country (you can too, you just don't need to). They only actually become illegal after they have been through and failed the asylum system and have absconded from being removed... We actually took away the ability to claim asylum in England at our embassy in France and hence people need to make landfall to make the claim. We did this, we forced the issue by making them come in boats and we also reduced the amount of judges/lawyers for the asylum process. We forced this to happen and honestly I do not have a problem with it but of course I have been fortunate enough to live in a place where no one has been bombing me or I cannot survive in my homeland because of climate change or my life is threatened because I am gay. But you must understand that the Government changing the process is what caused the boat situation. It's an abomination and we should be being constructive and understanding the root causes rather than wailing about the falsehoods that the right wing perpetuate.

I'm not sure what they're laughing at, based on current official statistics, there have been no recorded child deaths in Channel crossings this year. I'm tempted to think this post is more about highlighting the cruelty of imaginary racism in imaginary Facebook comments.

It really is a complex problem, rooted in international law.

My main issue is that people-smugglers couldn’t care less whether people get killed on the way. People are taking absolutely awful risks (around the world, not just on the Channel) and in this case it’s to move from one safe country to another one.

A lot of people really do believe that the UK offers more than other Western European countries. My neighbour was telling me how it was better there as you automatically got given a house. She knows and trusts me so she believed me when I told her the truth, but she honestly seemed to think the UK roads were paved with gold before that…

I saw it myself on FB this afternoon. Was scrolling past and saw all the crying laughing responses to the news article.

I agree that technically it’s not illegal migration but I’m afraid most people including me don’t care and regard people who break into my country as committing an illegal act and regard them as illegal migrants no matter how governments try to define and spin this.
The government is trying to limit the numbers with these albeit pathetic and ineffective rules. If we allow people to claim in France or anywhere else in the world (the safe and legal routes argument) how do we cope with feeding, housing, educating, providing medical care and other services to the numbers who will undoubtedly arrive. No one suggesting this approach ever answers this question and never will give an upper limit for the numbers we should take in. We simple cannot afford to do this given the state of our country at the moment.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at? There are ways to express your opinion about unchecked immigration and the boats without resorting to the most horrible comments I’ve never seen. my concern is that people are showing no empathy and its extending to anyone who’s opinion is different to these nutters, and even calling people a ‘leftie’ politically I don’t even sit on any sides of the extremes but I have empathy.

I’m more angry at the governments including the US at the moment and the current regime that seem to have fueled hatred on some big influencers in the UK and brainwashing people.

I've seen those posts and reactions on Facebook today. Are you suggesting the OP is lying?

Prison figures by nationality

Lets just let everyone in and see what happens 🫣

It’s a bit ironic to criticise other people’s horrible comments and lack of empathy when you very subtly suggested Augusta was a Nazi. Cleverly dressed up I admit.

I have reported one and was told it was ok and won’t be removed.

It’s not this as looking at other EU countries there is still discord and political shifts in voting due to migration pressures.

On the channel crossings that ended sadly for two women / girls the main factors are Labour led. It’s harder for boats to get across without drifting, they are higher risk and it’s practically impossible for women and girls to join later.

The problem is that it’s legal under international law. That doesn’t mean I think everything’s fine - I mean obviously it’s not - but that there isn’t a simple answer unless we decide to break international law. Which will get us nowhere fast.

You talked a lot about more sympathy for women
This is women that have died
Yet nothing