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RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 09:09

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2026 09:04

Reform is following the MAGA handbook

Yup. The "proud to be a redneck" thing. A deplorable.

Hilliary has a lot to answer for with that comment.

MsJinks · 12/05/2026 09:11

RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 09:01

Reform has the " they are calling us thick" down to a tee don't they. On threads here I see intentional spelling mistakes, walls of text with no structure and punctuation, daft ideas and plain mistruths. Anything to goad their opposition to react, so the reformers can yell " See, come and see the oppression inherent in the system. See how the so called intellectual elite call us all thick"

Anything to distract and divert from policy.

They certainly do. I have never really thought of thick v not thick as a thing until recently- and I don’t like it in myself tbh. But honestly in my head I am just sometimes thinking ‘should everyone be allowed a vote’ - sorry that’s a poor sentiment I know plus there’s loadsa reasons folk vote this way too.

It’s a specific form of ‘thick’ I think though and not directly correlated to a specific difficulty with their IQs - just bullheaded sticking to the spin/cult.

I think you’re right and it’s been built up by Reform, for Reform - though Gove said no one likes an expert too - free reign for the feelz then and you are always right - however factually wrong you may actually be.

I hope I made some sense here and haven’t stepped into offensive.

REP22 · 12/05/2026 09:18

One of my friends volunteered in a polling station last week. He was astounded (perhaps not really) by the number of people asking why Farage's name wasn't on the ballot papers (Where's Nigel?! I want to vote for Farage!") - some of them accused him of hiding the "real" ballot papers with Farage's name on them, or tampering with "the proper" papers and giving them "fake ones" instead.

With every passing day Trump and his cronies plumb new depths. Proudly brags that he didn't even finish reading the Iran offer, but knows it was weak and unacceptable. Pick one lie and stick with it you credulous Tangoed fool. Has he had his overdue mandatory medical yet?

RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 09:18

MsJinks · 12/05/2026 09:11

They certainly do. I have never really thought of thick v not thick as a thing until recently- and I don’t like it in myself tbh. But honestly in my head I am just sometimes thinking ‘should everyone be allowed a vote’ - sorry that’s a poor sentiment I know plus there’s loadsa reasons folk vote this way too.

It’s a specific form of ‘thick’ I think though and not directly correlated to a specific difficulty with their IQs - just bullheaded sticking to the spin/cult.

I think you’re right and it’s been built up by Reform, for Reform - though Gove said no one likes an expert too - free reign for the feelz then and you are always right - however factually wrong you may actually be.

I hope I made some sense here and haven’t stepped into offensive.

Totally clear. Mao done the same with his cultural revolution. Used every tactic he could to create a "them and us" thing to build on his cult of personality, no matter the cost.

MsJinks · 12/05/2026 09:38

REP22 · 12/05/2026 09:18

One of my friends volunteered in a polling station last week. He was astounded (perhaps not really) by the number of people asking why Farage's name wasn't on the ballot papers (Where's Nigel?! I want to vote for Farage!") - some of them accused him of hiding the "real" ballot papers with Farage's name on them, or tampering with "the proper" papers and giving them "fake ones" instead.

With every passing day Trump and his cronies plumb new depths. Proudly brags that he didn't even finish reading the Iran offer, but knows it was weak and unacceptable. Pick one lie and stick with it you credulous Tangoed fool. Has he had his overdue mandatory medical yet?

Sounds not dissimilar to the Brexit polling clerks’ experiences. I did see that ‘take your own pen’ thing for these locals as it was in Brexit. Nige profits from all this, so he’s not going to give productive advice/information to help the hard of voting either.

The cult is alive and growing - I had thought that in this instance Trump would actually do this bigliest and bestest - fingers crossed we see his crash before our own GE.

Bit of a derail I think banging on re U.K. - sorry for that - some similarities are quite frightening though.

logicisall · 12/05/2026 10:14

RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 09:01

Reform has the " they are calling us thick" down to a tee don't they. On threads here I see intentional spelling mistakes, walls of text with no structure and punctuation, daft ideas and plain mistruths. Anything to goad their opposition to react, so the reformers can yell " See, come and see the oppression inherent in the system. See how the so called intellectual elite call us all thick"

Anything to distract and divert from policy.

The best way to counter on MN is to not respond. Easy to identify the perpetrators as they post on multiple threads. I start getting suspicious when something is explained in depth on one thread they're on, yet they feign ignorance on another. So they're either posting to goad or not interested in reading responses. Just getting their points out there.

NB Unless the poster just likes having the last word/point scoring. Let'em stew for a few days, then respond. 😈

Zonder · 12/05/2026 10:25

REP22 · 12/05/2026 09:18

One of my friends volunteered in a polling station last week. He was astounded (perhaps not really) by the number of people asking why Farage's name wasn't on the ballot papers (Where's Nigel?! I want to vote for Farage!") - some of them accused him of hiding the "real" ballot papers with Farage's name on them, or tampering with "the proper" papers and giving them "fake ones" instead.

With every passing day Trump and his cronies plumb new depths. Proudly brags that he didn't even finish reading the Iran offer, but knows it was weak and unacceptable. Pick one lie and stick with it you credulous Tangoed fool. Has he had his overdue mandatory medical yet?

And they complain about being called thick.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 12/05/2026 10:30

@MsJinks - "Bit of a derail I think banging on re U.K. - sorry for that - some similarities are quite frightening though."

I’m not sure it is such a derail. As I’ve mentioned numerous times on these threads before, in 2016, I got told off in by my friends for banging on about how, aside from the effect worldwide, Trump would be as terrible for the UK as Brexit would be, as the core supporters of each were of the same insular, racist, mindset. They thought I was scaremongering and being ridiculous, because it could never happen here..

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2026 10:55

logicisall · 12/05/2026 10:14

The best way to counter on MN is to not respond. Easy to identify the perpetrators as they post on multiple threads. I start getting suspicious when something is explained in depth on one thread they're on, yet they feign ignorance on another. So they're either posting to goad or not interested in reading responses. Just getting their points out there.

NB Unless the poster just likes having the last word/point scoring. Let'em stew for a few days, then respond. 😈

There is a clear pattern, challenge them and they move onto a new thread.

RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 11:05

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2026 10:55

There is a clear pattern, challenge them and they move onto a new thread.

Yup. It's not about persuading people with their message. It's just about getting their message in front of as many people as possible.

Trump is the same really.

MsJinks · 12/05/2026 11:31

RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 11:05

Yup. It's not about persuading people with their message. It's just about getting their message in front of as many people as possible.

Trump is the same really.

That’s a really good point - I hope I remember it at the SUTR emergency meeting tonight.

I do try and debate in a fair manner with some posters - but if a fail often ha - I do believe if we can get some common ground and facts established there may be a route through - but it’s not actually working - so flood the market with my/our message instead seems a good way to try instead.

CaveMum · 12/05/2026 11:58

Apologies for absence, life has been, well, lifing these last few days.

I see we’re on the cusp of needing #164 shortly @Spandauer. Any title ideas?

Also saw this on Facebook earlier re the spiralling costs on the paint job for the Reflecting Pool:

”Surprise surprise, the cost of trump's Reflecting Pool paint job just shot up more than 700%, ballooning from a promised $1.8 million to $13.1 million after the Interior Department quietly added $6.2 million to the contract last Friday. The contractor, Atlantic Industrial Coatings, got a no-bid deal because, in trump's own words, "I have a guy who's unbelievable at doing swimming pools." The punchline is that the company's own website makes zero mention of swimming pool work. They specialize in waterproofing highway culverts, roofs, and water storage tanks. It was also their very first federal contract ever. And they are painting the bottom "American flag blue," which sounds patriotic until you remember that a reflecting pool with chronic algae problems is always going to look like a neglected aquarium no matter what color you slap on it.

This is not a one-off. The White House ballroom started as a $200 million promise with zero taxpayer dollars and has quietly ballooned to $400 million, with Senate Republicans now trying to stuff an additional $1 billion in public money into a budget bill to cover "security." Same script, different project.

At some point you have to call this what it looks like. Low-ball the number, skip competitive bidding, hand the contract to a personal connection with no relevant experience, then let the price explode once the deal is locked in and everyone has moved on. trump spent months threatening Jerome Powell with criminal charges over a 30% cost overrun at the Federal Reserve building renovation. His own projects are running at 700%. The audacity is genuinely something to behold.”

MushMonster · 12/05/2026 12:03

logicisall · 12/05/2026 08:26

So is Project F the reason why UK governments have such a beef with the civil service?

Isn't Project Freedom the US Navy/military opening the SoH and escorting vessels through?
Help me see your connection.

Scheduke F in Project 2025 that should say

RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 12:25

CaveMum · 12/05/2026 11:58

Apologies for absence, life has been, well, lifing these last few days.

I see we’re on the cusp of needing #164 shortly @Spandauer. Any title ideas?

Also saw this on Facebook earlier re the spiralling costs on the paint job for the Reflecting Pool:

”Surprise surprise, the cost of trump's Reflecting Pool paint job just shot up more than 700%, ballooning from a promised $1.8 million to $13.1 million after the Interior Department quietly added $6.2 million to the contract last Friday. The contractor, Atlantic Industrial Coatings, got a no-bid deal because, in trump's own words, "I have a guy who's unbelievable at doing swimming pools." The punchline is that the company's own website makes zero mention of swimming pool work. They specialize in waterproofing highway culverts, roofs, and water storage tanks. It was also their very first federal contract ever. And they are painting the bottom "American flag blue," which sounds patriotic until you remember that a reflecting pool with chronic algae problems is always going to look like a neglected aquarium no matter what color you slap on it.

This is not a one-off. The White House ballroom started as a $200 million promise with zero taxpayer dollars and has quietly ballooned to $400 million, with Senate Republicans now trying to stuff an additional $1 billion in public money into a budget bill to cover "security." Same script, different project.

At some point you have to call this what it looks like. Low-ball the number, skip competitive bidding, hand the contract to a personal connection with no relevant experience, then let the price explode once the deal is locked in and everyone has moved on. trump spent months threatening Jerome Powell with criminal charges over a 30% cost overrun at the Federal Reserve building renovation. His own projects are running at 700%. The audacity is genuinely something to behold.”

Yup. The pool does seem to be another one of those Puerto Rico electric grid things. Remember that ? Some small outfit got the job to fix PR after a hurricane and they had no people or kit to do it.

Re algae. Another yup. I keep fish, and basically unless the whole thing is treated like a swimming pool, chlorinated and filtered to hell, the thing is gonna be back to brown sludge on the bottom within one season.

RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 12:29

MsJinks · 12/05/2026 11:31

That’s a really good point - I hope I remember it at the SUTR emergency meeting tonight.

I do try and debate in a fair manner with some posters - but if a fail often ha - I do believe if we can get some common ground and facts established there may be a route through - but it’s not actually working - so flood the market with my/our message instead seems a good way to try instead.

I don't think it's a tactic that can be defeated unfortunately. Internet age and all that. That old saying comes to mind. A lie is twice around the world before the truth puts it's shoes on.

MushMonster · 12/05/2026 12:30

Schedule F! I cannot even type!

I did not know he had started this on his first term..... in 2020, I think.

While watching interviews and reading about the memorandums for the Welsh Parliament elections, the Reform candidate kept banging about reducing the number of civil servants we had, how they are well paid, about freezing their pay... and well, why? I wondered..... It made zero sense to me. We need more jobs. Not to lose jobs. Nothing wrong with, at least some of us, having a "good" wage. Surely, nothing to compare with 5 million gifts....
Reform is definitively taking many pointers from Trump's administration ( or the whole book!)

Spandauer · 12/05/2026 12:38

Greenland still within the crosshairs but the Greenlanders/Danes are making the best of Hobson's Choice.
Expect lots of Trumpy crowing soon.

US in closely guarded talks to open new bases in Greenland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx21669452lo

Vice-President JD Vance tours the US military's Pituffik Space Base in Greenland on March 28, 2025

US in closely guarded talks to open new bases in Greenland

It is seeking to open three bases in the south of the Arctic territory, according to multiple officials familiar with the talks.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx21669452lo

OP posts:
Spandauer · 12/05/2026 12:44

🍊💩 not getting his beauty sleep in before the trip to Chy-na.

President Donald Trump boosted dozens of posts from prominent supporters and right-wing accounts—retreading false claims about the 2020 elections and calling for his political enemies to be jailed—in a late-night Truth Social posting spree that was capped off with a post attacking a New York Times report about the costs of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool repairs.
www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2026/05/12/trump-boosts-dozens-of-conspiratorial-posts-attacking-obama-biden-and-hillary/

OP posts:
RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 12:51

Spandauer · 12/05/2026 12:44

🍊💩 not getting his beauty sleep in before the trip to Chy-na.

President Donald Trump boosted dozens of posts from prominent supporters and right-wing accounts—retreading false claims about the 2020 elections and calling for his political enemies to be jailed—in a late-night Truth Social posting spree that was capped off with a post attacking a New York Times report about the costs of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool repairs.
www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2026/05/12/trump-boosts-dozens-of-conspiratorial-posts-attacking-obama-biden-and-hillary/

Uncle Xi and Comrades are going to put so many ideas into his head that it will explode.

Imagine Trump complaining to Xi about the press. And Xi casually explaining it's not a problem for him because he controls it all in the PRC.

BruceAndNosh · 12/05/2026 15:33

RedTagAlan · 12/05/2026 12:51

Uncle Xi and Comrades are going to put so many ideas into his head that it will explode.

Imagine Trump complaining to Xi about the press. And Xi casually explaining it's not a problem for him because he controls it all in the PRC.

Ditto elections

logicisall · 12/05/2026 15:51

This is a March article on the WH playlist when responding to Trump's lies. I had noticed Goebbels Barbie (perfect name) starting answers with "President Trump is right" and found it annoying, not realising it was a tried and tested method of responding while not answering the question and diverting to something else.

President Trump is right’: The White House’s go-to line about Trump’s false claims

Donald Trump’s White House spokespeople have a favorite two-step reply when reporters ask them to comment on one of the president’s false claims.
First: They say, “President Trump is right.”
Second: They defend some related point that isn’t the one Trump actually made.
Trump’s communications team has returned to this “President Trump is right” template again and again during his second presidency. Even in response to his most clearly inaccurate statements.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/23/politics/white-house-communications-trump-false-claims

‘President Trump is right’: The White House’s go-to line about Trump’s false claims | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump’s White House spokespeople have a favorite two-step reply when reporters ask them to comment on one of Trump’s false claims.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/23/politics/white-house-communications-trump-false-claims

logicisall · 12/05/2026 16:30

Spandauer · 12/05/2026 12:38

Greenland still within the crosshairs but the Greenlanders/Danes are making the best of Hobson's Choice.
Expect lots of Trumpy crowing soon.

US in closely guarded talks to open new bases in Greenland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx21669452lo

So Trump still gets a 'win' in Greenland, and after removing the THAAD defence system in South Korea he is still rewarded with a MOU to invest $150 billion in the U.S. shipbuilding sector. I know that it's part of last year's tariff reducing deal when SKorea agreed to investing a total of $350 billion with an annual cap of $20 billion, but still. Hasn't that government ever heard of pauses to trade promises because the country is dealing with a severe oil shortage atm.

It's no wonder Trump thinks he's Jesus.

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2026 19:34

More shouting madness before boarding a plane incl calling a reporter dumb for asking about the ballroom costs doubling.

and this gem

Q: To what extent are Americans' financial situations motivating you to make a deal with Iran?

TRUMP: "Not even a little bit. The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about Americans' financial situation. I don't think about anybody."

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 12/05/2026 19:52

DuncinToffee · 12/05/2026 19:34

More shouting madness before boarding a plane incl calling a reporter dumb for asking about the ballroom costs doubling.

and this gem

Q: To what extent are Americans' financial situations motivating you to make a deal with Iran?

TRUMP: "Not even a little bit. The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about Americans' financial situation. I don't think about anybody."

Except myself.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/05/2026 20:02

dapsnotplimsolls · 12/05/2026 06:29

Did you mention Craptoe?

No. It was links to an article about 'Epic Furious' and to the game itself.

It was set up by the same group who is doing the Epstein/Trump statues and put up the golden toilet "The Secret Handshake"

If anyone is interested, just search 'Epic Furious game'. It's actually pretty funny

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