My cat had kittens pictures included.

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My mainecoon had 5 kittens 6 days ago. They are very cute well I think so anyway. I have added pictures. I don't have a reason for posting i just want to 😊

I’ll take your word for it, mine are 12 so I’m not across the current market. Mine were also £500 so I’m well out of date!

Because the problem exists thanks to unethical people like OP. You don’t get to exploit your animals and add to the countless numbers of animals needing homes without comment. She’s doing something extremely unethical and unnecessary because she wants the money so she can take the criticism to go with it because it’s deserved and she’s making the world a worse place for animals.

Cat charities spend a fortune in time and effort trying to neuter and care for the mountain of unwanted and homeless cats out there. Breeders like OP are the equivalent of having a friend come round when you’re trying to clean up a flood, only said friend keeps turning on your taps as you try to clean up the already existing mess. That’s what she and anyone breeding their pets are doing to animal charities and the animals themselves.

And even if they go to good homes, OP has no idea that they’ll stay there. They might well end up on the streets starving to death as the ragdoll I found did or potentially worse. She loses all control the minute she hands them over to their new owners but she’s got the money so who cares where they might end up?

Many people on this thread are very uninformed about where the pets in this country come from. The majority of dogs in the uk come from hobby breeders. The definition of hobby breeders is some one who has fewer than 3 litters in 12 months. Many have far fewer than that.

Stats taken from a kennel club survey…
89% of breeders consider themselves hobby breeders
85% did not have a dog breeding licence prior to October 2018
50% breed less than 1 litter per year and 37% breed 1-2 litters per year.

Stats taken from Nature Watch Foundation survey
there are 2,897 licensed breeders across the UK and Ireland, collectively keeping around 26,000 female adult dogs for breeding – of which just over 23,000 are kept in the UK.
there are around one million dogs and puppies joining UK households each year.

This is for dogs. I’m sure the same applies to cats.

Op your kittens are gorgeous and you will make some families really happy. I still see some of my pups and follow them on FB. When I see them it fills my heart with joy.

Rescues are collapsing under the unwanted cats and kittens!
The rescue we got our kitten from had a pair of dumped Ragdolls.
Queen’s don’t want kittens, please don’t put human emotions on animals.
But the kittens are gorgeous.

Because there will be people opening the thread to look at the “cute kittens” without having any clue whatsoever how irresponsible and cruel it is to produce more animals into a world where rescues are already overrun with animals. If one post makes someone stop and think then it’s worth posting, no matter how uncomfortable it makes the op feel.

Are you against the perpetuation of all pedigrees? So no more Labradors? I’d have to very strongly disagree with you there. Also what happened to choice? It’s what you get when you don’t live under a totalitarian regime.

So going by this thread is that there is no such thing as an ethical breeder and literally all pets should come from rescues? What about smaller animals from pet shops?

Genuine question, I have one cat who happens to have come from a rescue I'm just surprised that op is getting such a hard time. Sorry to derail further op

These threads often make me think about if an alien race took over earth and decided that humans could not responsible for their own breeding. They then castrated all the boys at the age of 10 and gave all the girls hysterectomies after their first period, without telling them what was happening or why.

Surely it would affect them mentally as they grew up? Why don’t we think that it affects animals in the same way it would affect humans? 🤔

I should add that I don’t necessarily believe we shouldn’t spay animals but I find it interesting that no one ever seems to reflect on the affect it might have on them. 🤷🏽‍♀️

I’m against the deliberate(or careless) breeding of all pet animals yes. We have far too many unwanted as it is and I do not understand the obsession with breeds or the number of major health problems that we’ve created in far too many breeds. It is done purely for the benefit of humans. Labradors or pugs or Sharpei or whatever breed you care for, will not be harmed by ceasing to exist. And no harm is done by them(or any dog, pedigree, mongrel or crossbreed) not being brought into the world. They are not part of the ecosystem in the way that wild animals are. They are not necessary.

As for choice considering how much harm that so called animal lovers have done to dogs and other animals by breeding them. The so called Kennel Clubs have been bloody disasters for dogs. I am far more concerned about animal welfare than choice.

What’s the difference? One lot deliberately bred and other a mistake! But £5000 is £5000 isn’t it!
Should donate some the profit to a local cat charity for neutering vouchers, maybe.

Yes all should come from rescues imo. It’s grotesque to keep adding to their numbers just because we think this breed is cuter than another even if the poor thing’s hips are a mess or it struggles to breathe.

If we ever get to a stage where we’re about to run out of dogs and cats(And that is so unlikely that I’d expect us to grow wings first) then perhaps we can have a debate about so called ethical breeders being allowed to produce some but we’re not there yet. Not even close.

Yes, I completely agree. My local rescue has had 6 litters of kittens come in this week.

If you don’t spay a female kitten, she can & likely will get pregnant at the age of four months which is far too young to be safe.

She & her babies might survive or might not. When they’re about 3 months old she will most likely lose interest in them, go back into heat & get pregnant again.

If you don’t neuter a tom, he ends up like a couple I know of. Aggressive, covered in scars & injuries because of all the fights he gets into, responsible for injuries to other local cats, roaming a long way to find queens in heat & so in more danger of getting run over. Probably with feline AIDS. And also fathering kittens who, if not neutered, go on to produce more kittens.

The biggest source of kittens isn’t breeders planning litters. It’s stray cats, abandoned cats & idiots who can’t be bothered to care for their cats properly.

Because mumsnet likes drama. Derail threads try to get a reaction. Its basically their entertainment.

And you like exploiting your cat for financial gain, and not giving a shit about animal welfare or caring where the kittens might end up. We all have our hobbies although yours does involve the equivalent of turning on all the taps as others try to clean up a flooded home and not only expecting to be given a pass for it but actually expecting to be lauded for making an even bigger mess, one that you know you won’t be the one cleaning up. And daring to complain when you’re criticised for making the mess even worse instead of grabbing towels and a mop and trying to help.

Totally agree. Well said.

Wow.

I think comments like may of those on this thread have the exact opposite effect. Of course people know about the countless unwanted and abandoned cats and kittens and the way thst some people breed cats unscrupulously, but that isn’t what this thread was started for. I spend a significant chunk of my money supporting charities but some of the hysterical
comments Ive seen on this thread have seriously made me reconsider which charities I will support in the future.