Labour Isn't Working - Thread 30

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Lammy looks upset and deflated. Not his usual expression at PMQs.

Yep, spot on.

With your information - many thanks again - I tracked down the video clip. There she is, clear as day: Mandelson reported as having failed security vetting.

Starmer’s position is absurd.

Starmer is wrong on the UKSV. How is he this wrong?

It’ll be in all the guidance that it’s not to be shared, the FCDO outcome is what matters.

He’s ridiculous.

Reeves isn't looking exactly chipper either.

I know, yeh.
Lammy is usually really animated at PMQs.

Just to complete this, Starmer’s answer to that question was this, in full:

”Yes, it was my decision. It was an error of judgment, and that is why I have apologised to the victims of Epstein. I have done that again today, and it is right to do so. In relation to the second point of the hon. Member’s question and any other political appointments, I will have to check on that and get back to him, because I am not across—[Interruption.] There are very many appointments made to senior positions, and I will just check that for him.”

“I am not across…”

Seriously? “Not across” having pushed for his head of comms to get a senior diplomatic role, and keeping it secret from the Foreign Secretary?

“I will just check”? WTAF?

I dont think he will ever resign over this.

A drubbing at the locals might change the picture and encourage the party into action.

Imagine being the call handler at ACAS when OR calls to advise them of his claim and ask for early conciliation to be started, so he can get his code to start the ET claim!

It’s a real shame - we’ve got terrible politicians and you look at what’s happened to OR and think, would you advise your dc to take a fast track position these days?

i still think KS is a liar, the exoneration claim rests on OR corroborating that he didn’t tell the PM but OR has made it clear that he in any case knew it wouldn’t be heard as the desired outcome was nailed on.

It’s bizarre how he thinks he’s right and can’t see that he’s wrong even when OR explains it clearly.

The local elections might sharpen Labour MPs minds as in pp, or they might just sit there for the next however many years biding out time.

We've definitely got a case of Teflon Keir here…

I remember the look on Starmer's face after he'd answered that question. He glared at the MP as he sat back down. You could tell something was up. Now we know why.

I think KS just keeps saying the same thing hoping eventually people will forget what the other guy ( the one that’s understands vetting ) said . He isn’t going anywhere.

I personally wish OR the best of luck with his constructive dismissal claim

I knew years ago that Starmer would be awful in govt, but he has exceeded all of my expectations this week.
Labour MPs need to remind themselves that his cronies have supported paedophiles, and Starmer was OK with that.

Now McSweeney has been called for questioning by MPs.

Yes, Kemi is shouting into a void at this point. Only Labour MPs can remove him, and they've chosen to keep their heads in the sand.
As a pp said, perhaps the election results will sharpen minds.

Yes, and Barton too.
Barton's evidence could be quite revealing. I don't think McSweeney will get an easy ride, but he's a professional slimy toad.

Those voting intentions for the local elections are telling. If Labour cannot keep their voters there, then they are well and truly on the ropes.

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Barton is the one before OR?

In which case he should confirm the process Olly R followed, and that it was correct.

God just let some politicians grasp it at that point.

McSweeney will be interesting but he totally left with a I’ll take the fall for KS so it might be more of saving another person’s hide.

Yes OR took over from Barton. Rumours that Barton was on the verge of a breakdown and either refusing or struggling to reform the FCDO (now we know why!), so OR was brought in by Starmer, as OR is known as a fixer from the Brexit years.
Agree on McSweeney.

Just to caveat that, I'm testing my memory on OR, and working. Happy to be corrected if any of that is wrong as I can't fact check rn.

A Tory MP asked about the security clearance for Jonathan Powell when he was appointed as the Special Envoy to the British Indian Ocean Territory

Starmer didn't answer. I assume if starmer had a 'safe' answer he would have given it. So I wonder if that is another can of worms.

I wondered that. What an odd question, and then only to be answered by Starmer that Powell is well regarded. Whatever the implications was of the question, Starmer seemed ready with a non-answer - although he did manage to avoid the kiss of death words, 'full confidence'.