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HJ40 · 15/04/2026 13:19

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 11:44

I think they do mean that, but what I mean is what would be the purpose of doing so? A post-accident diagnosis neither proves or disproves that she knew beforehand.

It’s not medically possible to prove she had a seizure at that time, only to conclude based on other factors. No reason she’d need a ‘Dubai doctor’ to do that, a doctor here could do just as easily. The issue is whether she had a pre-diagnosis or a history of uncontrolled seizures. One imagines the police review her medical records (though I suppose they may not have and that’s part of the review). I just can’t see how a diagnosis after the fact is of any use either way.

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My thinking was, given the difficulty in proving epilepsy that pp have shared, coming up with a a post-accident diagnosis would serve to strengthen her argument that she did have a seizure at the wheel. And then assuming there’s no evidence of prior knowledge, it’s credible she unfortunately did have her first seizure at the wheel.

Bearing in mind a court would need guilt proven beyond reasonable doubt, I expect this would raise sufficient reasonable doubt hence the CPS decision not to proceed?

It also opens up a line of enquiry as to why she would need to go to a Dubai doctor though and perhaps that wasn’t followed up on 🤨. (Big caveat, I know I am now going to far with the ideas). But anyway, just guessing what purpose a Dubai diagnosed post diagnosis would give.

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 13:31

HJ40 · 15/04/2026 13:19

My thinking was, given the difficulty in proving epilepsy that pp have shared, coming up with a a post-accident diagnosis would serve to strengthen her argument that she did have a seizure at the wheel. And then assuming there’s no evidence of prior knowledge, it’s credible she unfortunately did have her first seizure at the wheel.

Bearing in mind a court would need guilt proven beyond reasonable doubt, I expect this would raise sufficient reasonable doubt hence the CPS decision not to proceed?

It also opens up a line of enquiry as to why she would need to go to a Dubai doctor though and perhaps that wasn’t followed up on 🤨. (Big caveat, I know I am now going to far with the ideas). But anyway, just guessing what purpose a Dubai diagnosed post diagnosis would give.

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I get what you’re saying but the burden of proof is on the CPS to show that the driver knew she had a medical condition, therefore a post incident diagnosis is unnecessary. The lack of medical evidence of seizures prior to the incident is enough to create reasonable doubt.

I don’t think there’s any evidence of the Dubai doctor any what is there? Just one pp’s rumour.

Itsmetheflamingo · 15/04/2026 13:33

HJ40 · 15/04/2026 13:19

My thinking was, given the difficulty in proving epilepsy that pp have shared, coming up with a a post-accident diagnosis would serve to strengthen her argument that she did have a seizure at the wheel. And then assuming there’s no evidence of prior knowledge, it’s credible she unfortunately did have her first seizure at the wheel.

Bearing in mind a court would need guilt proven beyond reasonable doubt, I expect this would raise sufficient reasonable doubt hence the CPS decision not to proceed?

It also opens up a line of enquiry as to why she would need to go to a Dubai doctor though and perhaps that wasn’t followed up on 🤨. (Big caveat, I know I am now going to far with the ideas). But anyway, just guessing what purpose a Dubai diagnosed post diagnosis would give.

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The CPS don’t hear her defence. They receive the police evidence for prosecution, then decide whether it’s a reasonable chance of conviction.

they don’t even know her defence until they get into court. She wouldn’t be able to use her “Dubai doctor” with the CPS. They wouldn’t even know about it

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 13:36

JulietteHasAGun · 15/04/2026 13:14

Would be interesting to hear if an nhs doctor would have diagnosed her at the same threshold.

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Guidance from about:blank National Institute for Health and Care Excellence - epilepsy is usually diagnosed if:

  • A person has had two or more unprovoked seizures, or
  • One seizure with a high risk of recurrence (based on EEG/MRI findings)

I don’t think we actually know if there is a confirmed diagnosis do we?

CousinBette · 15/04/2026 14:08

Duvetdayneeded · 15/04/2026 11:23

Isn’t this the fault of the CPS?

Not if the police didn’t gather the necessary evidence at the time.

Bingowings100 · 15/04/2026 15:27

Yeah that is tosh. She murdered two little girls, lied, went to a private doctor to fabricate a lie that she had her first epileptic attack, got a very expensive barrister, paid to delete all evidence of her identity online, never apologised, got out of the car and said 'what have I done' so clearly not in the middle of a seizure. How you can defend her is unbelievable! She is a rich white woman with a rich husband who has let's say 'connections'. They were two little brown girls. No toxicology report, no immediate drug or alcohol testing on site.. nothing. She was literally able to kill two little brown girls and get away with it. Racism at its finest. A huge cover up.

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 16:27

FernandoSor · 15/04/2026 11:28

I think the suspicion is she paid a doctor in Dubai for a diagnosis and the police bought it.

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I thought she was loaded and has a husband with friends everywhere in high society so why the need for a doctor in Dubai, there are doctors everywhere surely?

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 16:40

Bingowings100 · 15/04/2026 15:27

Yeah that is tosh. She murdered two little girls, lied, went to a private doctor to fabricate a lie that she had her first epileptic attack, got a very expensive barrister, paid to delete all evidence of her identity online, never apologised, got out of the car and said 'what have I done' so clearly not in the middle of a seizure. How you can defend her is unbelievable! She is a rich white woman with a rich husband who has let's say 'connections'. They were two little brown girls. No toxicology report, no immediate drug or alcohol testing on site.. nothing. She was literally able to kill two little brown girls and get away with it. Racism at its finest. A huge cover up.

I think you're going to have to back that up.

Trampoline · 15/04/2026 16:42

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 10:56

None of that responds to what I said.

Yes, the parents have a vested interest in keeping it in the news, who can blame them for doing so. The school also have a vested interest. Not every parent who loses a child in a horrific way has the resources or support to keep it in the news this way, or to push for a reopening of the investigation. Their status and financial position has enabled them
to do that. I don’t blame them for that at all, but it is a fact and one that you and others are overlooking when pointing to the influence and money of the driver. Who of course also had a vested interest in keeping out of the news, and is - on the facts as currently known - innocent of any wrongdoing.

All I’m saying is, be truthful about this. If it was a crash into a failing Blackpool primary school, no-one would be discussing it anymore.

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Of course, this is a fee paying school in leafy Wimbledon village. However aren't we talking uber rich with connections versus well paid professionals? All things don't feel particularly equal to me - and I'm not sure the level of influence is comparable. But yes, I agree, a failing school in Blackpool may not have received the same level of coverage.

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 16:51

Trampoline · 15/04/2026 16:42

Of course, this is a fee paying school in leafy Wimbledon village. However aren't we talking uber rich with connections versus well paid professionals? All things don't feel particularly equal to me - and I'm not sure the level of influence is comparable. But yes, I agree, a failing school in Blackpool may not have received the same level of coverage.

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How have you come about that conclusion about who is uber rich verses who is just a well paid professional?

What do you know about the various ins and outs of their jobs and incomes?

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 16:54

This article apparently talks about Dominic Freemantle in 2010 who was a rising star in the finance world. I cant actually read the article as I dont have a subscription, of course, more inclined to read Take a Break......

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/fn-rising-stars-investment-banking-20101206

Helpboat · 15/04/2026 17:17

Bingowings100 · 15/04/2026 15:27

Yeah that is tosh. She murdered two little girls, lied, went to a private doctor to fabricate a lie that she had her first epileptic attack, got a very expensive barrister, paid to delete all evidence of her identity online, never apologised, got out of the car and said 'what have I done' so clearly not in the middle of a seizure. How you can defend her is unbelievable! She is a rich white woman with a rich husband who has let's say 'connections'. They were two little brown girls. No toxicology report, no immediate drug or alcohol testing on site.. nothing. She was literally able to kill two little brown girls and get away with it. Racism at its finest. A huge cover up.

I’m trying to find info on whether she was tested for drugs/drink because this would be the literal bare minimum for the police to carry out in an RTA resulting in death. Where did you find that information? If it is indeed revealed that she was not drug/drink drive tested then that epilepsy defence can go right in the bin plus some serious sacking for every officer involved.

Helpboat · 15/04/2026 17:20

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 16:51

How have you come about that conclusion about who is uber rich verses who is just a well paid professional?

What do you know about the various ins and outs of their jobs and incomes?

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30k per annum fee paying school professionals are no way comparable to the wealth and connections the Freemantles would have. You’re being deliberately naive.

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 17:40

Trampoline · 15/04/2026 16:42

Of course, this is a fee paying school in leafy Wimbledon village. However aren't we talking uber rich with connections versus well paid professionals? All things don't feel particularly equal to me - and I'm not sure the level of influence is comparable. But yes, I agree, a failing school in Blackpool may not have received the same level of coverage.

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I don’t know the specifics of their finances, and suspect no-one on the thread does either, but anyone paying 22k a year in prep school fees is in the top 1% of earners. I’ve not seen anything to suggest the driver was ‘uber rich’, or had any connections, or even any meaningful evidence why that would make a difference when compared to the very rich parents (who likely had connections of their own) and school.

Ive also seen some evidence that pictures of the driver were pulled because press had mistakenly used images of another woman by the same name with the same hair colour/style.

It sounds like the police fluffed the investigation in some way, very likely communicated poorly with the families and the school which has created rather than answered questions, and that’s left lots of gaps for speculation.

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 17:42

Helpboat · 15/04/2026 17:20

30k per annum fee paying school professionals are no way comparable to the wealth and connections the Freemantles would have. You’re being deliberately naive.

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If you have evidence for that I’m interested to hear it. I can’t see anything obvious and the fact that you say ‘would have’ rather than ‘have’ rather suggests you’re guessing.

january1244 · 15/04/2026 17:47

A £4m house - more than £17 k a month to service that mortgage. Very different to paying £2k a month school fees (cheaper than most private nurseries in the South East)

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 17:48

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 16:54

This article apparently talks about Dominic Freemantle in 2010 who was a rising star in the finance world. I cant actually read the article as I dont have a subscription, of course, more inclined to read Take a Break......

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/fn-rising-stars-investment-banking-20101206

Ha same! This is published a couple of years ago but says they bought their house a decade before when she was pregnant with their third child. So kids possibly even adults by now.

archive.ph/2024.07.04-095721/thesethreerooms.com/bathrooms/calm-bathroom-design-with-mosaic-tiles-and-bronze-fittings/

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 17:49

january1244 · 15/04/2026 17:47

A £4m house - more than £17 k a month to service that mortgage. Very different to paying £2k a month school fees (cheaper than most private nurseries in the South East)

Yes, two different payments. How do you know the parents aren’t also living in £4m houses?

january1244 · 15/04/2026 17:51

I don’t know that. But friends paying school fees aren’t close to a £4 m house. Thats a different level of wealth

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 17:51

Helpboat · 15/04/2026 17:20

30k per annum fee paying school professionals are no way comparable to the wealth and connections the Freemantles would have. You’re being deliberately naive.

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How on earth do you know what wealth and connections or not the victims parents have?

How are you making a connection with what they pay at the school, which as far as I know is 'only' 22k so they are complete povvos obviously, with what their actual position is

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 17:54

january1244 · 15/04/2026 17:47

A £4m house - more than £17 k a month to service that mortgage. Very different to paying £2k a month school fees (cheaper than most private nurseries in the South East)

Is this a serious post

Why and how are you comparing what someone pays in SCHOOL FEES to what someone pays on their mortgage as some sort of indicator as to their overall income versies the other persons income. How bizarre.

And even if someone paid 50p on a mortgage every month compared to 17k a month it still proves nothing either way.

likelysuspect · 15/04/2026 17:55

january1244 · 15/04/2026 17:51

I don’t know that. But friends paying school fees aren’t close to a £4 m house. Thats a different level of wealth

WTF??

january1244 · 15/04/2026 17:57

A PP was saying someone paying those school fees is probably a similar level of wealth. I was just saying not necessarily.

I doubt the school had much influence considering the headmistress reportedly couldn’t even get interviewed by the police

Allisnotlost1 · 15/04/2026 18:04

january1244 · 15/04/2026 17:57

A PP was saying someone paying those school fees is probably a similar level of wealth. I was just saying not necessarily.

I doubt the school had much influence considering the headmistress reportedly couldn’t even get interviewed by the police

That’s true, they may be different levels, but my point is that this isn’t quite the David and Goliath story it’s being made out as. Yes, a person driving that tank of a car is obviously wealthy, but I’m guessing your friends paying 20+k in school fees aren’t living in a council house are they?

january1244 · 15/04/2026 18:12

No they’re not, but it varies, a £600k 3 bed semi with ordinary jobs for example