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Southport Inquiry report highlights failures and misunderstanding of autism

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ProudAmberTurtle · 13/04/2026 14:03

The Phase 1 report from the Southport Inquiry is out has found the attack "could and should have been prevented".

It was "highly likely" it wouldn't have happened if agencies and the killer's own parents had actually done their jobs over the years. Catastrophic failures everywhere - police, mental health services, social services, schools - all passing the buck, losing information and refusing to take ownership of the risk this boy posed.

But the bit that really jumped out at me is this: a "misunderstanding of autism" meant his violent, dangerous behaviour was wrongly blamed on his autism spectrum disorder.

Instead of treating the clear warning signs of murderous intent as the serious red flags they were, everyone just shrugged and said "it's his autism" and did nothing. No proper risk assessment, no real intervention, no one stepping up.

Neurodiversity / mental health services were so terrified of "stigmatising" or "criminalising" autism that they ended up enabling actual danger to everyone else.

The parents also apparently let weapons be delivered to the house and didn't report crucial things in the days before.

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loislovesstewie · 14/04/2026 13:04

38thparallel · 14/04/2026 12:42

They cannot recruit psychiatrists.

@Anonymouse27 Is this because there isn’t funding or because psychiatrists don’t want to do this work?

I was told that many psychiatrists and CPNs have had no training in autism or ADHD. Despite that, the CPN my son sees felt confident in declaring that all his issues were caused by one or the other, not anxiety disorder. Honestly I feel that I have to diagnose him myself, or at least make the suggestion.

Anonymouse27 · 14/04/2026 13:07

38thparallel · 14/04/2026 12:42

They cannot recruit psychiatrists.

@Anonymouse27 Is this because there isn’t funding or because psychiatrists don’t want to do this work?

I believe the main difficulty was that they can't recruit. Not even locums.

I don't know the barrier to recruitment: poor pay offer, terrible reputation of service, not enough hours offered???

I remember being informed that they had a locum to cover the north of the county, but nobody to cover the south and there was a massive problem with kids getting prescriptions for ADHD meds.

They have addressed this with a separate ADHD/ASD service with Nurse Prescribers. I am not sure who supervises them. They do shared care with GPs. The actual CAMHS continues to struggle to recruit psychiatrists to the best of my knowledge and they do not seem to stay.

Tigerbalmshark · 14/04/2026 13:14

likelysuspect · 14/04/2026 07:43

Its a complete lie that this could have been prevented under current systems, Ive said the same on another thread running about this. How convenient for society that the 'agencies' failed and not our growing ignorance and reluctance to deal with violent children and see them as that

We dont want to pay for services that will do something, we dont want to lock kids up, we dont want to enforce care or deprivation of liberty, we dont want sectioning, not only does it cost money but people are horrified if you talk about taking someones rights away, the courts wouldnt even consider anything like that for this boy/man given he wasnt convicted of anything and at times barely left the house. Theres simply nothing for people like this.

Agree - he’d been caught with a knife, he’d made multiple threats to kill, he’d attacked other children. The police knew all of this and didn’t give a shit. No wonder the parents didn’t bother reporting - eventually you give up expecting any help.

PoppinjayPolly · 14/04/2026 13:22

Tigerbalmshark · 14/04/2026 13:14

Agree - he’d been caught with a knife, he’d made multiple threats to kill, he’d attacked other children. The police knew all of this and didn’t give a shit. No wonder the parents didn’t bother reporting - eventually you give up expecting any help.

Is it as simple as that? Thought reports were showing that family including his parents covered up for him?

Tigerbalmshark · 14/04/2026 13:24

Anonymouse27 · 14/04/2026 13:07

I believe the main difficulty was that they can't recruit. Not even locums.

I don't know the barrier to recruitment: poor pay offer, terrible reputation of service, not enough hours offered???

I remember being informed that they had a locum to cover the north of the county, but nobody to cover the south and there was a massive problem with kids getting prescriptions for ADHD meds.

They have addressed this with a separate ADHD/ASD service with Nurse Prescribers. I am not sure who supervises them. They do shared care with GPs. The actual CAMHS continues to struggle to recruit psychiatrists to the best of my knowledge and they do not seem to stay.

It’s because psychiatry is a fucking awful job in this country - difficult patients (the “easy” ones are managed by GPs and CPNs), expected to carry the can for decisions made by teams of CPNs and psychotherapists for hundreds of patients you have never met, no funding, huge caseload, often terrible management. No beds anywhere, so knowing you are making dangerous management decisions through lack of alternative options, and knowing people are not being optimally managed in your watch. Completely demoralising and all down to lack of funding.

I have a couple of medical school friends who became consultant psychiatrists - both hugely motivated throughout medical school with a huge drive to work in the area. One now does Harley Street worried well only, and the other has left medicine.

It has got to the point where trusts will appoint unqualified non-consultants into “locum consultant” posts (which you technically don’t need a CCT for - whereas you do for a permanent post). So you can be a psychiatry junior clinical fellow or overseas GP or A&E doc one day and a “locum consultant psychiatrist” the next, without any registrar-level psych training. Ludicrously dangerous but there’s then a bum on a seat to sign off all the CPN prescribing decisions.

Jskqbk · 14/04/2026 13:41

likelysuspect · 14/04/2026 08:27

In what sense do you mean 'work with' though?

Our local CAMHS of course has their CAMHS and then ND CAMHS. the ND CAMHS is the waiting list for people being assessed.

Once assessed, job done, case closed

A child may well have comorbid MH issues with their ND of course, but largely there is no therapy on offer in any case, our local CAMHS only offers group work for anxiety, no direct psychotherapy or individual therapies. I know this is different in different areas.

The CAMHS I work in provides therapy and care coordination for all young people in my team (Core CAMHS) whether they have autism or not. The therapy is adapted to meet the needs of the child, including being adapted to individual neurodivergence. As we are a mental health service, we aim to treat the mental health present. We also have psychiatric doctors in our service for the minority of children who might need medication for their mental health.
The CAMHS neurodevelopmental team is commissioned to carry out assessment. They are not commissioned to 'treat' (there is no 'treatment' for autism) or provide after support. There is a big need for specialist support for neuro diverse children nationally, but it is the regional commissioners who decide on health spending priorities and regional councils who decide on social care spending priorities who are responsible for deciding what CAMHS provides, not CAMHS. We just get told what we need to provide.

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 14/04/2026 13:43

We hear from the carers group in my county, that the mental health trust has poor recruitment; but then social services told me the mental health trust was “tricky” to deal with. Imo, that’s something coming from them!

DD2 waited two years for a CPN recently. The waiting list for psychotherapy is 2 - 3 years. She can’t get EMDR, when it’s supposed to be the treatment for CPTSD…..

likelysuspect · 14/04/2026 13:45

Owninterpreter · 14/04/2026 08:55

I find the topic quite hard because I have an autistic child who used to get dysregulated and whilst disregulated was destructive and violent. He mainly threw things in the rough direction of people and smashed stuff.

So I find it hard when people are scornful about dysregulation as an 'excuse' but also dont seem to have any concept what it actually is and of how you help a child learn to regulate over time. My son can now regulate better than most adults but it involved therapy, special school and maturity i guess.

But I also find it hard when people use the concept of dysregulation to explain away all violent or difficult behaviour. Its not dysreguation to order a knife and plan an event.

I think this is what they mean by a poor understanding of autism? Attributing things to autism that arent to do with sutism like conduct disorders, and combined with not actually doing the things that might support any autism but just saying 'oh well autistic people do that' its a bit of a toxic mix.

Very valid points here except I would say this, it would appear I think, that he lived with a sense of injustice, a sense of victimhood, a sense of being under attack if you like, his dysregulated manner of managing that was to lash out and attack others and that includes pre planning to lash out, to fix the wrong he has in his head that he thinks is being done to him.

In that sense I think its right to say that his maladaptive and disordered view of the world, himself and his relationship to others is the reasoning for doing something planned like ordering weapons and planning with them. Its all part of his world view. Some or all or none of that may be related to his ND.

likelysuspect · 14/04/2026 14:06

SeriousFaffing · 14/04/2026 12:53

@38thparallel it seems appropriate to add the words of the families of Alice, Bebe and Elsie here.

“We call for immediate action, clear accountability and real change, not simply reassurances that ‘lessons have been learned’”

Its an example of speech and policy and tone and truth being policed, we see it a lot on threads here, being 'told off' for not saying or thinking the right way

Same with the trans ideology

However, despite that, Im wondering what would have changed if the report from the HT had been allowed to remain the same. What would be different?

Im thinking nothing would have been different except her report, I dont think it would have prevented this crime (or his others)

frozendaisy · 14/04/2026 14:08

pinkpostitnote · 14/04/2026 12:50

The thing is that the right intervention CAN make a difference.

Well over a decade ago my setting had an autistic child like this who was too difficult to attend school.

Many years later he graduated secondary school with all sorts of awards for making SUCH huge progress. But it was definitely multi agency support. Full action plan. Internet cut etc.

No one questions that intervention does make a difference.

But if you have parents letting their child play violent video games at home, not going to school, blaming everyone and everything else, that is not going to help at all.

Our tens weren’t allowed GTA or Fortnite until we were absolutely sure it wasn’t going to change their personality or make them cross. They didn’t like it but they accepted it.

CurlyKoalie · 14/04/2026 14:09

Dollymylove · 14/04/2026 11:04

The so called "Care in the community" is an absolute disaster. How many innocents going about their business have been attacked/murdered by people who should be in secure accommodation?
Why do others have to be assaulted/bullied /have their mental health ruined by someone who is out of control, protected by their "human rights" and fuck everyone else's rights.
The old fashioned institutions should be brought back to protect the innocent. Until this happens others will suffer the same fate, sadly

I agree with this. There were so many examples of AR being violent or wishing harm on other people that he really should have been sectioned for his own and everybody else's benefit.
I feel the blame lies with the psychiatrist at Alder Hey who does not appear to have diagnosed the severity of ARs mental disorder. He is supposed to be the highest level of medical professional in all this. He is supposed to look beyond the basic diagnoses given by lesser qualified psychologists, consider the red flags, and use the extra powers available at his level to put this individual into secure accomodation

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 14/04/2026 14:32

Tigerbalmshark · 14/04/2026 13:14

Agree - he’d been caught with a knife, he’d made multiple threats to kill, he’d attacked other children. The police knew all of this and didn’t give a shit. No wonder the parents didn’t bother reporting - eventually you give up expecting any help.

This is not true.

Police arrested, charged, and took AR to court for 3 or 4 offences.
He was dealt with at court and taken into the Youth Offending Scheme.

Once released from this scheme it is my understanding that no more referrals were made to the police.

He was referred to Prevent (a counter terrorism organisation) who considered that he was not at risk of terrorist extremism and didn't fall under their remit.
(There is now talk of expanding Prevent remit to extreme violence but at the time he didn't fall under their services.)

The family repeatedly lied to, and minimised to police and other agencies.
They were offered family therapy and support which the father declined.
They did not support any criminal investigations following on their reports to police.
At every stage police made correct referrals to social services.
The father intercepted the delivery of several machetes, one of which he hid from AR, and did not report any of these purchases.

Two MH workers requested to stop working with AR because of his father being rude and aggressive towards them (both women).

I think it's utterly unfair to say police "didn't give a shit"

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 14/04/2026 14:33

https://southport-prod.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/2026/04/31.236_HO_Southport-Inquiry_Volume1_WEB.pdf

If anyone wants to read the 1st part of the Report

SeriousFaffing · 14/04/2026 14:46

likelysuspect · 14/04/2026 14:06

Its an example of speech and policy and tone and truth being policed, we see it a lot on threads here, being 'told off' for not saying or thinking the right way

Same with the trans ideology

However, despite that, Im wondering what would have changed if the report from the HT had been allowed to remain the same. What would be different?

Im thinking nothing would have been different except her report, I dont think it would have prevented this crime (or his others)

@likelysuspect

We will never know.

However, knowing that the headteacher had initially described him as dangerous and his internet use as “sinister” before being pressured to changed details such as this to “inappropriate” (“inappropriate” to describe horrifying internet searches…) we can absolutely say that this was part of the entire systemic failure and is one of an immeasurable number of broken links that stood in the way of him being stopped from causing harm in the way that he did. Might this one link remaining intact have been the indicator that enabled action to happen further down the line?

By changing those words, those very clear and stark words, Samantha Steed not only diluted but changed the entire meaning of the information that was being conveyed in that report.

Warmlight1 · 14/04/2026 16:44

SeriousFaffing · 14/04/2026 14:46

@likelysuspect

We will never know.

However, knowing that the headteacher had initially described him as dangerous and his internet use as “sinister” before being pressured to changed details such as this to “inappropriate” (“inappropriate” to describe horrifying internet searches…) we can absolutely say that this was part of the entire systemic failure and is one of an immeasurable number of broken links that stood in the way of him being stopped from causing harm in the way that he did. Might this one link remaining intact have been the indicator that enabled action to happen further down the line?

By changing those words, those very clear and stark words, Samantha Steed not only diluted but changed the entire meaning of the information that was being conveyed in that report.

The report should describe precisely and accurately what is being searched on the internet. And behaviours. Otherwise it's not telling anyone much. It's not going to depend on one adjective. People reading the report are quite capable of assessing fact.
A report should give the right detail so people can evaluate what's happening.
The writer can absolutely say how they feel or analyse information or state their position but this should be owned and distinguished from fact.
A headteacher should be able to resist perceived pressure and maintain the word 'sinister' and justify it, if that's what they want to do. However it's not a word that gets used in professional reports around children so maybe that was highlighted. It's completely possible to describe risk without that word. I don't quite get the insistence on 'somebody made them change it' potentially causing the event - feels a bit like reform/ restore trying to get an angle. . The facts here would be enough to inspire a response. That's surely the issue, rather than some very transparent scapegoating exercise which diverts from the families grief and loss.

SeriousFaffing · 14/04/2026 16:58

Warmlight1 · 14/04/2026 16:44

The report should describe precisely and accurately what is being searched on the internet. And behaviours. Otherwise it's not telling anyone much. It's not going to depend on one adjective. People reading the report are quite capable of assessing fact.
A report should give the right detail so people can evaluate what's happening.
The writer can absolutely say how they feel or analyse information or state their position but this should be owned and distinguished from fact.
A headteacher should be able to resist perceived pressure and maintain the word 'sinister' and justify it, if that's what they want to do. However it's not a word that gets used in professional reports around children so maybe that was highlighted. It's completely possible to describe risk without that word. I don't quite get the insistence on 'somebody made them change it' potentially causing the event - feels a bit like reform/ restore trying to get an angle. . The facts here would be enough to inspire a response. That's surely the issue, rather than some very transparent scapegoating exercise which diverts from the families grief and loss.

@Warmlight1 I do wholly agree with you.

The report without a doubt should have been better/more detailed but the report was still changed from communicating something to communicating virtually nothing at all and being sterilised entirely of its meaning.

38thparallel · 14/04/2026 17:16

A headteacher should be able to resist perceived pressure and maintain the word 'sinister' and justify it, if that's what they want to do. However it's not a word that gets used in professional reports around children so maybe that was highlighted. It's completely possible to describe risk without that word. I don't quite get the insistence on 'somebody made them change it

I thought Samantha Steed accused the teacher of racial stereotyping. An accusation of racism can result in the accused losing their job and not finding another one.
I’m not surprised the headteacher backed down.

climbintheback · 14/04/2026 17:49

When we were young in the 60s bullying was dealt with by older boys usually and it usually didn’t happen again - when all failed with older bullies it was the army or borstal - you never heard of murder or stabbing and we lived on a rough old council estate I remember a local girl was assaulted sexually and her dad made sure he didn’t do it again! I loved those days.

Chocaholick · 14/04/2026 17:51

climbintheback · 14/04/2026 17:49

When we were young in the 60s bullying was dealt with by older boys usually and it usually didn’t happen again - when all failed with older bullies it was the army or borstal - you never heard of murder or stabbing and we lived on a rough old council estate I remember a local girl was assaulted sexually and her dad made sure he didn’t do it again! I loved those days.

Me too! My dad… ‘ensured’ the local paedophile didn’t live down the road from us for long.

EasternStandard · 14/04/2026 18:14

38thparallel · 14/04/2026 17:16

A headteacher should be able to resist perceived pressure and maintain the word 'sinister' and justify it, if that's what they want to do. However it's not a word that gets used in professional reports around children so maybe that was highlighted. It's completely possible to describe risk without that word. I don't quite get the insistence on 'somebody made them change it

I thought Samantha Steed accused the teacher of racial stereotyping. An accusation of racism can result in the accused losing their job and not finding another one.
I’m not surprised the headteacher backed down.

Yes it’s concerning.

Warmlight1 · 14/04/2026 18:50

38thparallel · 14/04/2026 17:16

A headteacher should be able to resist perceived pressure and maintain the word 'sinister' and justify it, if that's what they want to do. However it's not a word that gets used in professional reports around children so maybe that was highlighted. It's completely possible to describe risk without that word. I don't quite get the insistence on 'somebody made them change it

I thought Samantha Steed accused the teacher of racial stereotyping. An accusation of racism can result in the accused losing their job and not finding another one.
I’m not surprised the headteacher backed down.

I am reading the report and haven't found that bit do you have a reference?

SeriousFaffing · 14/04/2026 19:16

Warmlight1 · 14/04/2026 18:50

I am reading the report and haven't found that bit do you have a reference?

@Warmlight1

Volume 2, Para.156

”My efforts to include this information within the EHCP draft were met
with hostility by AR’s father and also by Samantha Steed (CAMHS).
Ms Steed even went as far as to accuse me of racially stereotyping AR
as “a black boy with a knife”. Nothing could be further from the truth.
We wanted to support AR and his family in finding a suitable education
provision. Withholding relevant information was not going to assist him
or us in that process. The statement on risk assessment remained in
the EHCP. However, in the end the wishes of the family prevailed and
the wording of the EHCP was re-written in many places to change the
emphasis of some of the concerns in the original EHCP. For example,
a reference to AR researching content online which could be viewed
as sinister was changed to read “inappropriate”.

https://southport-prod.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/2026/04/31.236_HO_Southport-Inquiry_Volume2_WEB.pdf

38thparallel · 14/04/2026 19:21

I am reading the report and haven't found that bit do you have a reference?
@Warmlight1
It has also been widely reported in the press.

Warmlight1 · 14/04/2026 21:19

I've found this on AI
"........told an inquiry that this allegation of "racial profiling" had the effect of "effectively shutting me up"."
Most likely everyone involved wished they'd done something different. What's ambiguous about ' ....has bought a knife into school on .....date?'
It's factual. There's absolutely no reason why you would not say so, if true, and it's your professional duty to say so. The parent might not like it but no one in their right mind could accuse you of racial profiling. A head should know that.
A headmistress once claimed, directly after a YP absconded from a meeting, my friend had been looking at her watch all the way through the meeting. My friend doesn't wear a watch. Which account do you think more likely and why? There are power differences between professionals some voices are more powerful. I can't find that bit anywhere in the report and that'll be why.

The big problem was that there was no held chronology of risk by anyone, so the EHC document became a main document. EHCs are generally subject to.many revisions so querying the wording is a more normal.activity than you might think. Sinister Vs inappropriate- The whole risk assessment wouldn't rest on that in the slightest. . His previous actual actions are the relevant. bits. You can say those factually without exaggeration and the reader will get the picture.

SeriousFaffing · 14/04/2026 21:47

Warmlight1 · 14/04/2026 21:19

I've found this on AI
"........told an inquiry that this allegation of "racial profiling" had the effect of "effectively shutting me up"."
Most likely everyone involved wished they'd done something different. What's ambiguous about ' ....has bought a knife into school on .....date?'
It's factual. There's absolutely no reason why you would not say so, if true, and it's your professional duty to say so. The parent might not like it but no one in their right mind could accuse you of racial profiling. A head should know that.
A headmistress once claimed, directly after a YP absconded from a meeting, my friend had been looking at her watch all the way through the meeting. My friend doesn't wear a watch. Which account do you think more likely and why? There are power differences between professionals some voices are more powerful. I can't find that bit anywhere in the report and that'll be why.

The big problem was that there was no held chronology of risk by anyone, so the EHC document became a main document. EHCs are generally subject to.many revisions so querying the wording is a more normal.activity than you might think. Sinister Vs inappropriate- The whole risk assessment wouldn't rest on that in the slightest. . His previous actual actions are the relevant. bits. You can say those factually without exaggeration and the reader will get the picture.

@Warmlight1 why have you used AI? I linked the report for you. The bit that you have quoted follows shortly after paragraph 156.

That section of the report is well worth the read.