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He Has No Deal, He Has No Dice - Trump Thread #162

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Spandauer · 12/04/2026 17:39

Old enough to remember whole years in which I barely thought about the American president.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/chat/5513875-depraved-desperate-deluded-and-dangerous-trump-thread-160

eta: in my haste I think I've numbered the thread incorrectly! Oh well.

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logicisall · 18/04/2026 07:39

Is the SoH
🔒or 🔓

RedTagAlan · 18/04/2026 07:53

logicisall · 18/04/2026 07:34

Re the Strait of Malacca

China is carrying out an extensive ocean-mapping and monitoring programme across the Pacific, Indian and Arctic oceans, collecting data that naval experts believe could significantly enhance its submarine warfare capabilities against the United States and its allies.The effort, involving dozens of research vessels and hundreds of underwater sensors, is not limited to scientific research. A new detailed investigation by Reuters says

Can't wait to see what happens when the US tries to take an Iran-linked ship belonging to China's shadow fleet.

Edited

Yeah. The Strait of Malacca is the PRCs big thing. Somehow it's connected to the artificial islands in the South China sea. To do with the invasion of Taiwan. Because Malacca is most likely to be blockaded by the US.

There is an oil pipeline that bypasses the strait. Limited info on that where I am.

Sino-Myanmar Oil Pipeline - Global Energy Monitor (gem.wiki)

I think it can't be under stated how important TW is to the PRC. The Party wants it. And everything is geared to doing it. Especially energy security.

Sino-Myanmar Oil Pipeline

Sino-Myanmar Oil Pipeline 中缅输油管道 is an oil pipeline in Myanmar and China.[1]

https://www.gem.wiki/Sino-Myanmar_Oil_Pipeline

RedTagAlan · 18/04/2026 07:56

logicisall · 18/04/2026 07:39

Is the SoH
🔒or 🔓

Nobody knows the password. Or who has the password, or who they give the password to ?

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

logicisall · 18/04/2026 08:06

Piece on the importance of the Strait of Malacca.

GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS
04/16/2026, 15.35
SINGAPORE

From Hormuz to Malacca: Singapore calls for freedom of navigation at ‘chokepoints’
In light of the crisis in the Strait of Hormuz, Singapore has drawn attention to ‘chokepoints’, starting with the Strait of Malacca, through which nearly a third of the world’s oil and the majority of global trade passes. The “Malacca dilemma” has prompted China to diversify its routes and infrastructure to reduce its strategic vulnerability.

Singapore (AsiaNews) - In recent days, during a parliamentary session, Singapore’s Foreign Minister, Vivian Balakrishnan, was keen to reiterate that maritime trade routes must remain free of obstruction. Freedom of navigation is a right, not a privilege, he stated, emphasising that “it is not something to beg for” nor should there be any need to “pay a toll”.

These are not idle remarks. The war launched by the United States and Israel against Iran and the ensuing economic and energy crisis caused by the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz have refocused attention on the so-called “bottlenecks” or “chokepoints” (literally, chokepoints), geographical locations through which global trade passes and which, due to their configuration, can be easily blocked, causing disruption worldwide.

The second most important “chokepoint” in the world after the Strait of Hormuz is the Strait of Malacca. On 13 April, Singapore’s Minister for National Security, K. Shanmugam, echoed the Foreign Minister’s words, stating that “no one can impose tolls” and “selectively decide which ships may pass”, and pointed out that at its narrowest point, the Strait of Malacca measures less than two nautical miles, ten times narrower than the Strait of Hormuz. In the event of a military threat, the economy would risk suffering far more than it does now.

While around a fifth of the world’s oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz, almost a third (29%) transits past Singapore, amounting to 23.2 million barrels a day. It is the busiest oil transit corridor, linking Middle Eastern producers to the industrial economies of East Asia. In fact, almost half (48%) of the oil flowing through it ends up in China, amounting to a flow of 7.9 million barrels a day, according to data from early 2025. This quantity corresponds to 80% of all the crude oil it imports and 60% of its requirements.

In the event of a ‘bottleneck’, Singapore would have everything to lose. All the energy it needs passes through there, whilst the maritime sector, which employs over 170,000 people, accounts for around 7% of its gross domestic product. According to some studies, a total blockade could cause daily losses of around million.
But beyond energy, the Straits of Malacca and Singapore are the busiest in the world in terms of shipping volume, carrying 24% of all maritime trade and a third of all global trade. So whilst Hormuz is causing problems because some of the main sources of energy supply (the Arab Gulf monarchies) are located nearby, a closure of the Strait of Malacca could have a significant impact on deliveries. Europe and North America depend on this route for automotive components, pharmaceuticals and various other consumer goods. Not to mention the semiconductor industry: a blockade would create problems in the supply of essential components for smartphones, electric vehicles and cloud computing services.

China has long been aware of these issues. Since 2003, it has spoken of the ‘Malacca dilemma’, a term coined by then-General Secretary Hu Jintao to describe China’s dependence on that single geographical point for its energy and trade, to the extent that a simple naval blockade could bring the Dragon to its knees.

To avoid ending up with a shattered economy, Beijing has therefore equipped itself with land-based infrastructure that allows it to bypass the Strait. It has invested heavily in a gas pipeline and an oil pipeline linking the port of Kyaukphyu in Myanmar, on the Bay of Bengal, to the southern province of Yunnan. Operational since 2013, they reduce transit times and have remained operational even after the outbreak of the civil war in Myanmar in 2021. Transfers amount to around billion a year and generate over 5 million in foreign exchange reserves annually for the military regime.
Beijing also utilises oil and gas pipelines from Kazakhstan and Russia. However, it is the strategic ports that form what it calls the ‘string of pearls’, which, in addition to Kyaukphyu, also includes the port of Gwadar in Pakistan, which connects to Xinjiang, the port of Hambota in Sri Lanka, and Djibouti.

Furthermore, aware that a blockade of the Strait of Malacca would risk throwing the entire technology sector into chaos, China has ensured it becomes the main centre for rare earth refining, guaranteeing that technology-intensive sectors and renewable energy production (which is now proving more essential than ever) remain dependent on its processing capabilities.

https://www.asianews.it/files/img/Strait_of_malacca.jpg

logicisall · 18/04/2026 08:14

What! I thought there was an agreed $20B release of Iranian money linked to SoH opening. Those poor ship captains trapped in the Persian Gulf must think they're in Squid Game playing deadly Stop/Go.

Tump rules out releasing frozen Iranian funds
Donald Trump has ruled out reports his administration would release frozen Iranian funds in exchange for non-nuclear proliferation.
The US president insisted that Iran had agreed to suspend its nuclear programme indefinitely without any promise of the release of its assets.
He said talks to finalise a “mostly complete” agreement would “probably” take place over the weekend, according to Bloomberg.

Legssses · 18/04/2026 08:18

logicisall · 18/04/2026 08:14

What! I thought there was an agreed $20B release of Iranian money linked to SoH opening. Those poor ship captains trapped in the Persian Gulf must think they're in Squid Game playing deadly Stop/Go.

Tump rules out releasing frozen Iranian funds
Donald Trump has ruled out reports his administration would release frozen Iranian funds in exchange for non-nuclear proliferation.
The US president insisted that Iran had agreed to suspend its nuclear programme indefinitely without any promise of the release of its assets.
He said talks to finalise a “mostly complete” agreement would “probably” take place over the weekend, according to Bloomberg.

So according to Trump, Iran has miraculously met all of the WH demands and in return Iran has received nothing?

PickAChew · 18/04/2026 08:34

logicisall · 18/04/2026 07:39

Is the SoH
🔒or 🔓

You put your left tug in. Your left tug out.

logicisall · 18/04/2026 08:41

@PickAChew That really made me laugh.

How's this for a distraction?
X.com. JUST IN: President Trump has directed Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth to release government documents related to UFOs: “We found many very interesting documents, I must say. And the first releases will begin very, very soon. So you can go out and see if that phenomena is correct.”

1st comment:
The UFO files Trump is releasing.

He Has No Deal, He Has No Dice - Trump Thread #162
RedTagAlan · 18/04/2026 08:42

logicisall · 18/04/2026 08:14

What! I thought there was an agreed $20B release of Iranian money linked to SoH opening. Those poor ship captains trapped in the Persian Gulf must think they're in Squid Game playing deadly Stop/Go.

Tump rules out releasing frozen Iranian funds
Donald Trump has ruled out reports his administration would release frozen Iranian funds in exchange for non-nuclear proliferation.
The US president insisted that Iran had agreed to suspend its nuclear programme indefinitely without any promise of the release of its assets.
He said talks to finalise a “mostly complete” agreement would “probably” take place over the weekend, according to Bloomberg.

It's almost as if all these negotiations are pointless.

All these folk doing their talks and all that. And trump is sitting on his golden bog squeezing a turd out, banging out TRUTHs on his not Trump brand phone.

What Brand of phone does he use ? Maybe the makers could be sued.

Spandauer · 18/04/2026 09:05

Something tells me that he probably thinks that the verse chosen actually refers to himself.

Trump Will Participate in a Marathon Bible Reading
He will read a passage from the Old Testament that his Christian supporters cite as a call to national repentance and divine blessing.

gift article:
www.nytimes.com/2026/04/17/us/trump-bible.html?unlocked_article_code=1.b1A.Y81x.p7IQEPueSF8X&smid=nytcore-ios-share

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Efacsen · 18/04/2026 09:15

One vessel which did successfully transit the straits yesterday was a cruise ship [no passengers] that had been trapped in Dubai since the beginning of the war

So there is a safe mine-free route thro' when everything else lines up

RedTagAlan · 18/04/2026 09:18

Spandauer · 18/04/2026 09:05

Something tells me that he probably thinks that the verse chosen actually refers to himself.

Trump Will Participate in a Marathon Bible Reading
He will read a passage from the Old Testament that his Christian supporters cite as a call to national repentance and divine blessing.

gift article:
www.nytimes.com/2026/04/17/us/trump-bible.html?unlocked_article_code=1.b1A.Y81x.p7IQEPueSF8X&smid=nytcore-ios-share

(EDIT : just noticed I might have got the verse number from an old article.)

2 Chronicles 7:11–22 apparently.

"Thus Solomon finished the house of the LORD, and the king's house: and all that came into Solomon's heart to make in the house of the LORD, and in his own house, he prosperously effected.
And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.
If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.
For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments;
Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel.
But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.
And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and unto this house?
And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them. " (KJV)

Wonder who chose that for him.

notimagain · 18/04/2026 09:23

Efacsen · 18/04/2026 09:15

One vessel which did successfully transit the straits yesterday was a cruise ship [no passengers] that had been trapped in Dubai since the beginning of the war

So there is a safe mine-free route thro' when everything else lines up

Hate to be a pessimist but a ship of type x getting through doesn't mean a route is literally mine free.

These days mines aren't always of the old contact type and the SMEs elsewhere have been discussing (in vague details) mines that can be turned on, turned off, and/or can be tuned to only respond to certain vessels.

Legssses · 18/04/2026 09:23

Strait is closed again. That didn't last long!

"IRGC says Strait of Hormuz returns to ‘previous state’"

aje.news/4h6pbo?update=4501904

Spandauer · 18/04/2026 09:33

Wasn't sure if you can access the NYT gift links @RedTagAlan?

This is part of article:

Mr.Trump recorded his segment of the reading from the Oval Office, organizers said. He read a passage from the Old Testament book of II Chronicles that has become a touchstone for many of his Christian supporters, who interpret it as a call to national repentance and subsequent blessing.
^^
The central verse in II Chronicles 7 reads: “If My people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

“It’s been a hallmark of the religious right to cite this particular passage,” said Matthew D. Taylor, a visiting scholar at the Center on Faith and Justice at Georgetown University.
Biblical scholars emphasize that the passage concerns the writer’s understanding of a particular covenant between God and the ancient Israelites. The books of Chronicles cover centuries of Jewish history, including the reigns of Kings David and Solomon.

In recent decades, the verse has become the subject of songs, prayers and sermons that interpret it as a promise with direct political implications for the contemporary United States. For example, at the Capitol attack on Jan. 6, 2021, the founder of a group called Cowboys for Trump prayed the passage through a bullhorn over the crowd, which chanted “Fight for Trump!” in response.

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RedTagAlan · 18/04/2026 09:37

Spandauer · 18/04/2026 09:33

Wasn't sure if you can access the NYT gift links @RedTagAlan?

This is part of article:

Mr.Trump recorded his segment of the reading from the Oval Office, organizers said. He read a passage from the Old Testament book of II Chronicles that has become a touchstone for many of his Christian supporters, who interpret it as a call to national repentance and subsequent blessing.
^^
The central verse in II Chronicles 7 reads: “If My people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

“It’s been a hallmark of the religious right to cite this particular passage,” said Matthew D. Taylor, a visiting scholar at the Center on Faith and Justice at Georgetown University.
Biblical scholars emphasize that the passage concerns the writer’s understanding of a particular covenant between God and the ancient Israelites. The books of Chronicles cover centuries of Jewish history, including the reigns of Kings David and Solomon.

In recent decades, the verse has become the subject of songs, prayers and sermons that interpret it as a promise with direct political implications for the contemporary United States. For example, at the Capitol attack on Jan. 6, 2021, the founder of a group called Cowboys for Trump prayed the passage through a bullhorn over the crowd, which chanted “Fight for Trump!” in response.

Yup. So it's the same bit as he read before.

ColdOut2025 · 18/04/2026 09:50

logicisall · 18/04/2026 08:41

@PickAChew That really made me laugh.

How's this for a distraction?
X.com. JUST IN: President Trump has directed Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth to release government documents related to UFOs: “We found many very interesting documents, I must say. And the first releases will begin very, very soon. So you can go out and see if that phenomena is correct.”

1st comment:
The UFO files Trump is releasing.

Squirrel!! 👉

whoamI00 · 18/04/2026 10:46

The White House keeps broadcasting its demands as if an agreement has been reached, and the mainstream media parrots what it says. The market moves based on these announcements, only for it to turn out later that Iran denies what the White House claimed. This is a deliberate tactic to cloud the public's judgment. I think we're all doomed. This seems to be worse than COVID.

SerendipityJane · 18/04/2026 12:08

whoamI00 · 18/04/2026 10:46

The White House keeps broadcasting its demands as if an agreement has been reached, and the mainstream media parrots what it says. The market moves based on these announcements, only for it to turn out later that Iran denies what the White House claimed. This is a deliberate tactic to cloud the public's judgment. I think we're all doomed. This seems to be worse than COVID.

If you boost all the static and noise, you (think) you make it harder to discern the reality. This might work for Joe Public. However the unfortunate side effect is it eventually will crowd out your own message.

MAGA are confused. They were hardly a rocket scientist convention to start with. But with this flurry of impossibility contradictory messaging - even on their own beloved platforms and from the elders who guided them to the promised land - they are unable to connect to the hive mind. And the more Trump is forced to play dare or dare, that isn't going to heal.

It's not quite the end scene in "Dangerous Liaisons" yet. But I live in hope.

BruceAndNosh · 18/04/2026 12:37

SerendipityJane · 18/04/2026 12:08

If you boost all the static and noise, you (think) you make it harder to discern the reality. This might work for Joe Public. However the unfortunate side effect is it eventually will crowd out your own message.

MAGA are confused. They were hardly a rocket scientist convention to start with. But with this flurry of impossibility contradictory messaging - even on their own beloved platforms and from the elders who guided them to the promised land - they are unable to connect to the hive mind. And the more Trump is forced to play dare or dare, that isn't going to heal.

It's not quite the end scene in "Dangerous Liaisons" yet. But I live in hope.

What makes it harder for MAGA is that there used to be a chorus of Trump Toadies telling them what to think, but with people like Tucker Carlson , Joe Rogan and Alex Jones condemning the Iran war, MAGA are rudderless

RedTagAlan · 18/04/2026 13:02

BruceAndNosh · 18/04/2026 12:37

What makes it harder for MAGA is that there used to be a chorus of Trump Toadies telling them what to think, but with people like Tucker Carlson , Joe Rogan and Alex Jones condemning the Iran war, MAGA are rudderless

Also add to that. that he never follows through. His Hospital boat to Greenland for example. If he were actually to have done that, his MAGA would have been boasting. Even if he had sent it but it was not allowed in. But he never sent any. Never left the (dry) dock.

DancingFerret · 18/04/2026 13:08

The bottom line is the orange loon is full of dangerous hot air. The negotiators make some progress then have to listen to him arrogantly sounding off as if he has the upper hand in the mess he created.

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