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mumofoneAloneandwell · 07/04/2026 19:24

Ive got sky news on now

BestIsWest · 07/04/2026 19:24

Just PMK although I’m not sure I really want to.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/04/2026 19:27

Thanks for the thread @Spandauer. Hoping this will be TACO Tuesday.🤞

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

notimagain · 07/04/2026 19:29

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2026 19:21

@Blocksfruity

Do we actually think whatever Trump has planned will happen bang on the deadline?

Well, we all know he's one who demands instant gratification, so who knows? I'm sure that 'whoever is supposed to do whatever' are on high alert and ready to scramble.

A quick google shows that a squadron of fighter jets on high alert can scramble in as little as 5 minutes. A squadron of bombers in as little as 5-10 minutes. How long it would take them to reach their target I have no idea. Guess that would depend on where they're taking off from and what flight path they use. At any rate, I'm sure he'll expect to see planes in the air right away.

Unless he does a TACO and announces a 'powerful' and/or 'beautiful' fake cease fire.

For info there's no need to scramble anything...you could get the bombers airborne anytime and hold them somewhere handy (using inflight refuelling) with a view to releasing them to go on from their holding points if/when the deadline expires...

Another happy thought is that anything operating direct from US, such as the B-2s out of Whiteman AFB, might already be airborne and enroute....

All that said I think the nuclear option is very very unlikely.

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2026 19:34

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 19:17

Sky.... Marge :

"Marjorie Taylor Greene, a former Republican representative who was once a major supporter of Trump, also condemned his remarks.
She referenced the 25th Amendment of the US Constitution, which "provides for the temporary transfer of the president's powers and duties to the vice president".
In a separate post reacting to Trump's threat, Greene said: "Trump was elected to go to war against America’s deep state and to end America's involvement in foreign wars. Not to kill an entire civilisation while waging a foreign war on behalf of Israel, another foreign country.""

Hmmm, I wonder if that's why Scrotus sent Vance to Hungary. To get him out of the country when he perpetrates his biggest insanity on the world.

Vance wants the top job so badly that I can't imagine he's not salivating at the idea of a 25th. And I'd love to be a fly on the wall of conversations currently going on behind closed doors in Congress. I know, there are still a lot of loyalists, but hopefully some of them are beginning to worry about the defections going on from MAGA.

Gee, wonder how long would it take Vance to fly back to the US 'should the need arise?

MushMonster · 07/04/2026 19:34

Thanks for the new thread!
Hoping that Trump realises he can just walk away from this, call it a victory and leave.

JoshLymanSwagger · 07/04/2026 19:37

@Spandauer thanks for the new thread.
I really hope you don't have to start another tomorrow...

walllaw · 07/04/2026 19:39

JoshLymanSwagger · 07/04/2026 19:37

@Spandauer thanks for the new thread.
I really hope you don't have to start another tomorrow...

I hope we're all still around to start another one, though

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2026 19:39

As far as Scrotus and war crimes, the US never ratified the ICC and has had a policy of noncooperation since 2002. And actually passed laws to protect US personnel from prosecution.

The ICC or whoever wanted him prosecuted would literally have to kidnap Scrotus and spirit him away to the Hague. There is zero chance of that happening. He's probably one of the most heavily protected heads of state in the world. And he'll have Secret Service protection until he dies.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 19:41

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2026 19:34

Hmmm, I wonder if that's why Scrotus sent Vance to Hungary. To get him out of the country when he perpetrates his biggest insanity on the world.

Vance wants the top job so badly that I can't imagine he's not salivating at the idea of a 25th. And I'd love to be a fly on the wall of conversations currently going on behind closed doors in Congress. I know, there are still a lot of loyalists, but hopefully some of them are beginning to worry about the defections going on from MAGA.

Gee, wonder how long would it take Vance to fly back to the US 'should the need arise?

I was wondering earlier if they could do it on zoom. Or even if Vance had a SCOTUS Justice with him,

What are the rules ? SCOTUS Judge ?Does one have to go just in case ? There was a judge when JFK was killed, I recall from the footage.

PerkingFaintly · 07/04/2026 19:48

Thanks, @Spandauer .

Brew all round. Looks like we might need a strong one.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 19:49

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2026 19:39

As far as Scrotus and war crimes, the US never ratified the ICC and has had a policy of noncooperation since 2002. And actually passed laws to protect US personnel from prosecution.

The ICC or whoever wanted him prosecuted would literally have to kidnap Scrotus and spirit him away to the Hague. There is zero chance of that happening. He's probably one of the most heavily protected heads of state in the world. And he'll have Secret Service protection until he dies.

And the US even sanctioned folk at the ICC. Not just above the law, they think they are the law.

And funny enough, I was thinking about Duterte the other day. I was wondering if he got a cell or some sort of ok house to live in. And tin foil hat. Duterte was anti American, Marcos is pro.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 19:54

JoshLymanSwagger · 07/04/2026 19:37

@Spandauer thanks for the new thread.
I really hope you don't have to start another tomorrow...

If it all goes pear shaped, there is always carrier pigeons. And hey, with every post you get, a free meal comes with it.

Always a silver lining :-)

BestZebbie · 07/04/2026 19:55

bloodredfeaturewall · 07/04/2026 18:35

it's so weird - the positive big news around artemis and then as total opposite the situation in the middle east.

It is all feeling very JFK-era this week, isn't it?

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2026 19:58

@RedTagAlan

Well, Vance would have to initiate the 25th and the Cabinet has to agree with it, so that's a Zoom meeting at the very least. Then I suppose Vance would have to 'e-sign' a declaration for Congress to vote on. (tongue in cheek) I'm sure that nothing would be done other than 'in person'. So...how long does it take to fly back from Hungary on a US Govt plane?

Actually, once Vance and the cabinet submit the declaration, the VP becomes 'acting POTUS' immediately. The 'full' 25th process can take a few weeks to complete.

As far as the swearing in the Constitution doesn't specify a particular person. A POTUS can be sworn in by any official empowered to administer an oath. Calvin Coolidge was sworn in by his own father, a Notary Public and Justice of the Peace.

Interesting factoid: The only thing specified in the Constitution is that the EXACT language as written therein must be used. In fact Obama was sworn in twice in 2009 because Justice Roberts flubbed the words.

JoshLymanSwagger · 07/04/2026 20:00

From the BBC website

HMS Dragon docking at port for 'routine logistics stop' after minor tech issue

The Ministry of Defence has confirmed a Royal Navy destroyer will be going into a port in the region for “a routine logistics stop and a short maintenance period”.
HMS Dragon recently arrived in the Eastern Mediterranean to potentially intercept Iranian missiles and drones
The MOD said the logistics stop was planned. However, it said a minor technical issue with the ship’s onboard water system also needed to be looked at.
The MOD says HMS Dragon will remain at high readiness during the period and will be able to sail at short notice.

The ship departed for the Middle East on 10 March, amid criticism that the UK government was too slow to deploy it to the region. HMS Dragon is its first and only warship eastern Mediterranean

AcrossthePond55 · 07/04/2026 20:00

BestZebbie · 07/04/2026 19:55

It is all feeling very JFK-era this week, isn't it?

Yes, very Cuban Missile Crisis-esque. I was just a child but I remember the feeling of tension amongst the 'grown ups'.

JoshLymanSwagger · 07/04/2026 20:04

Another little gem from BBC news:
'Only the president knows where things stand and what he will do' - Leavitt
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt says only Donald Trump "knows where things stand and what he will do" as the deadline he set for Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz looms.
Her statement came in response to a request for clarification from the BBC about comments made by US President Donald Trump and his Vice President JD Vance earlier.
As we've reported, Trump said earlier "a whole civilisation will die tonight" unless Iran reaches a deal on opening the Strait of Hormuz - adding he doesn't want that to happen "but it probably will".
Vance then said the Iranian regime has to know the US has "tools in our tool kit that we so far haven't decided to use. The President of the United States can decide to use them and he will decide to use them if the Iranians don't change their course of conduct".
Responding to a claim on social media that Vance had suggested the US could use nuclear weapons, the White House said "literally nothing" Vance said had implied that was the case.
Asked by the BBC to clarify its stance on using nuclear weapons, the White House sent the following statement from Leavitt: "The Iranian regime has until 8PM Eastern Time to meet the moment and make a deal with the United States. Only the President knows where things stand and what he will do."

MushMonster · 07/04/2026 20:10

Has Starmer clarified the use of UK bases for this madness?
The Guardian has a mention of pressure on Starmer, bit BBC nothing.
The New York Times, funny enough, has a headline saying that UK has reinforced their "not for offensive strikes" permission to use the bases, so I was thinking that Starmer had said something. At least 3 hours ago. But nope, it seems he is busy on the phones, presumably.
I think UK has to make clear we fully disapprove of any attacks on civilian infrastructure, and Trump Power Plant and Bridge Day threats.

logicisall · 07/04/2026 20:25

I'm not an expert, so had to do some research after the previous thread closed @AcrossthePond55.

Q.Are MOABs those 'ultra-percussion' bombs that destroy using sound waves?

A.The MOAB is a conventional explosive weapon. It results in an initial fireball from the explosion and a subsequent pressure wave caused by the creation of large quantities of gases at high temperatures. The MOAB is an air burst weapon, that is, it detonates above the ground. The MOAB must be distinguished from the class of volumetric weapons, such as thermobaric weapons and fuel-air explosive weapons that have been used against fighters within cave complexes in Afghanistan.

On MOAB and civilians. It's not a straightforward 'Illegal'.

As with any weapon, however, its use in particular situations may be unlawful. Of note in this regard are the rule of proportionality and the requirement to take precautions in attack. But these IHL(International Humanitarian Law) rules are always context-dependent. Consider the rule of proportionality, which prohibits “an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.” Using a MOAB in a populated urban area, for instance, would generally violate the rule except in circumstances where the military advantage sought is enormous.

Finally, IHL forbids the use, or threat of use, of any weapon or tactic when the primary purpose of the operation is to terrorize the civilian population. This is so even if the operation would otherwise comply with all other IHL requirements. The MOAB could obviously be used in this fashion, as its immediate effects are stunning. However, violation of the prohibition requires an intent to terrorize. Absent such an intent, and without prejudice to other requirements of IHL, a decision to resort to the MOAB would be lawful. Relatedly, IHL does not currently consider unintended or incidental mental harm to civilians as part of proportionality analysis, though some might wish for the law to move in that direction.

It must be cautioned that this prohibition applies only to those operations designed to terrorize the civilian population. There is no equivalent prohibition on employing a weapon or engaging in tactics in order to terrorize enemy forces. Therefore, the fact that the MOAB was designed in part as a “shock and awe” effect weapon and may effectively demoralize, and even terrify, the enemy has no bearing on the legality of its use.

Extracted from
https://www.justsecurity.org/40022/the-mother-bombs-understanding-massive-ordnance-air-blast-weapon/

logicisall · 07/04/2026 20:30

I now think the 'tools' Vance was referring to are MOABs because even Trump isn't stupid enough to go nuclear. (Or a WH staffer will lock him in a toilet or something if he insists on it).

JoshLymanSwagger · 07/04/2026 20:30

More from BBC News.

Pakistan's prime minister calls for Trump to extend deadline

Image source,Reuters
The Prime Minister of Pakistan Shehbaz Sharif has called on US President Donald Trump to extend his deadline for two weeks "to allow diplomacy to run its course".
He also asks for Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz.
In a post on X, he writes: "Diplomatic efforts for peaceful settlement of the ongoing war in the Middle East are progressing steadily, strongly and powerfully with the potential to lead to substantive results in near future.
"To allow diplomacy to run its course, I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for two weeks.

"Pakistan, in all sincerity, requests the Iranian brothers to open Strait of Hormuz for a corresponding period of two weeks as a goodwill gesture.
"We also urge all warring parties to observe a ceasefire everywhere for two weeks to allow diplomacy to achieve conclusive termination of war, in the interest of long-term peace and stability in the region."

ColdOut2025 · 07/04/2026 20:32

Pakistan president asks Trump for deadline extension by...2 weeks!! There's the off ranp,and market manipulation cinoleted again

ColdOut2025 · 07/04/2026 20:35

JoshLymanSwagger · 07/04/2026 20:30

More from BBC News.

Pakistan's prime minister calls for Trump to extend deadline

Image source,Reuters
The Prime Minister of Pakistan Shehbaz Sharif has called on US President Donald Trump to extend his deadline for two weeks "to allow diplomacy to run its course".
He also asks for Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz.
In a post on X, he writes: "Diplomatic efforts for peaceful settlement of the ongoing war in the Middle East are progressing steadily, strongly and powerfully with the potential to lead to substantive results in near future.
"To allow diplomacy to run its course, I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for two weeks.

"Pakistan, in all sincerity, requests the Iranian brothers to open Strait of Hormuz for a corresponding period of two weeks as a goodwill gesture.
"We also urge all warring parties to observe a ceasefire everywhere for two weeks to allow diplomacy to achieve conclusive termination of war, in the interest of long-term peace and stability in the region."

Why on earth would they open SoH? Its illogical!! If it was us being attacked by the french fir example,I'd kinda hope we'd threaten to sink anything buoyant in the channel not only were they back in France, but in Germany or Italy to be on safe side

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/04/2026 20:36

RedTagAlan
Even saw one that it's Bidens fault cos he stumbled on the steps of Airforce one, twice. in foreign lands. The stumbles embarrassed USA... so Trump. Cos only Trump could un-embarrass the USA.

Which he did by being unable reliably to walk up or down a slope. Right.

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