Depraved, Desperate, Deluded and Dangerous - Trump Thread #160

[Spandauer]

More of the same. 🤬

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5510944-the-king-of-crazytown-cant-control-the-chaos-trump-thread-159

Fucking hell, Kegsbreath is nuts.

They've achieved the sum of diddly squat (apart from sending American military to their deaths), causing oil prices to rocket, terrifying a civilian population, holding the world to ransom and getting the worst possible deal in the history of deals.

And he thinks that's winning? Fuck my life, I'd hate to see losing.

They are all fucking deranged.

Via the CNN feed

“We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture,” Trump told ABC News’ Jonathan Karl when asked about Tehran charging tolls for passage in the strait. “It’s a way of securing it – also securing it from lots of other people.”

I am forming the impression here that Trump is pissed off that Iran thought up the toll and not him. Is he thinking "I can do that too. What water can I charge tolls on?"

Are we about to see aquatic toll booths spring up all over ?

So Trump now wants the rest of the world to pay him for something that used to be free after he behaved like a halfwit and fucked it up for everyone. He can fuck right off with that one.

I suspect that is the royal "we".

Also, it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Iran is evolving it's strategy. Which is mighty unfair, I know.

They may have decided that it's much easier to pacify Trump with the promise of money.

Indeed. UNCLOS ( UN Law of the Sea) is totally clear about freedom of navigation. And although the US and Iran are among the very small group of nations not to have ratified it, it has been a bedrock of US foreign policy to enforce it. Hence all the US freedom of navigation exercises in the likes of the Taiwan strait and the South China sea.

If he dismisses UNCLOS because "free money" who else will do it ?

I wonder what a world where Iran offer to pay "the US" (i.e. the DJT Foundation for bigly Middle East peace) in CraptoCoin would look like ?

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2025/3/3/trump-names-5-cryptocurrencies-for-national-reserve-sending-prices-soaring

I wonder if the continued bombing is due to the mosaic nature of the IRCG? I know weeks ago we were discussing how it's now made up of (16?) separate units, each carrying out its own interpretation of fulfilling the regimes aims. What are the chances of all 16 thinking ceasefire is the way forward?

On the other hand, bombing after announcing a ceasefire is hardly a new thing for Trump or his bosses.

True!

What has to happen for it to no longer be considered a ceasefire, I wonder?

I'm really glad I decided that there was no point in my staying up for Trump's Taco Tuesday performance.

One thing struck me today, out of all his pronouncements:

"Just like we are experiencing in the U.S., this could be the Golden Age of the Middle East!!!"

What an appalling threat.

This is a BIG story where I am as it happened within an hour from here.

ICE is saying he was 'a gang member wanted for murder', the family is saying that's a lie. ICE is saying he 'drove at an agent', video is sort of open to interpretation although it certainly looks like he was trying to flee and the officer happened to get in the way. But I'd probably try to flee too if ICE was shooting at me.

To my knowledge ICE hasn't released anything to prove that their allegations about him are true. And God knows, they've lied about other people's 'histories' before. From the local news this morning it looks like the family may be releasing a statement sometime today.

ETA Mendoza is currently fighting for his life in hospital.

The margin of win was much less than the 2024 margin for either Scrotus or MTG. Scrotus won by 37 points, MTG by 29. In contrast Fuller won by 12 points. That's a very positive indicator in such a red and pro-MAGA district. But whether it's actually a predictive one is debatable.

Fuller will fill MTG's remaining term, which ends in Jan 2027. So he's going to have to 'keep on running' as he is facing the midterms in November.

He really thinks he can charge the world for the war, plus make money. Or, if let's say Country X refuses to pay, then both Iran and US will shoot the ship? Is it? Or will Trump send the army to take their prime minister or whatever head of government. Or to invade said country.
US needs to get out of NATO actually. Because he will still try to invoke article 5 (I think that is the one) if any nation opposes him.
Can US be thrown out if it is proven that they follow a wreckless behaviour leading to war?
We really need to start showing him some teeth. And we got... Starmer! Can Starmer tell Trump, well mate, that IS NOT HAPPENING? I am not sure...

Let's put our heads down, sort our energy independance, get that manufacturing going on, sign trade deals with the rest of the world, start our own Facebook, Amazon, Paypall... sort finances worldwide (dump dollar, for starters) and, sadly, arm ourselves (not from US or friends. We should chuck Palantir out now, before we shoot a school by this automatic target selection shite). We need to be fully independant of US by yesterday, really. It is our only way forward. US is not reliable, even if they chick Trump out this evening. They just are not. And we should close our space to their army and navy too.

And as far as the ceasefire.......

I woke up this morning and the feeling of TACO relief was pretty much gone. Remembering that I'm in the US....

Will the price of fuel come down to prewar levels? No, they never do. If they come down at all it'll be a few pennies so they can say 'look what we did!!'.

Will the CoL come down? Nope, ditto as with the price of fuel. A few things may, but not enough to make a difference for those feeling a real squeeze.

Will the ceasefire 'hold'? I'm not an expert nor a prophetess, but I don't have a lot of faith in it. Whether the US will be involved in any military action in the future I don't know. Guess it depends on how well Bibi can bullshit Scrotus.

Where will Scrotus' eyes light next? Who knows. Depends on who feeds his ego enough. Or probably Norway when he doesn't get announced as the winner of the Peace Prize in October.

We really need to start showing him some teeth. And we got... Starmer! Can Starmer tell Trump, well mate, that IS NOT HAPPENING? I am not sure...

And how would you deal with Trump to keep your family safe ? Maybe calling him names isn't a great idea. Think of Tuco from "Breaking Bad".

I'd rather my diplomacy worked than made headlines.

Thought it would be a big story your neck of the woods. It was in my top stories.

Driver defo tries to get away, but it's one of these where the car was turning away from the ICE. Just like Renee Good. From that CNN vid, I think can understand why the hidden ICE could think danger, but then he ran across in front to get to where he could shoot. And same as with Renee, he recklessly fired. There was another ice in his line of fire by the outside edge of the road.

I thought they were not supposed to shoot unless in immediate danger. I can see this being debated.

Hope the fella pulls through.

Yes, your interpretation of the video matches mine. But unfortunately 'imminent danger' is apparently open to ICE's interpretation. Kinda like the Wild West and "Shoot first, ask questions later".

All that's known 'officially' is that Mendoza is in critical condition. I hope he pulls through too. His poor family.

Fake plastic golden.

Hegseth has said that the ceasefire offers a 'chance at real peace'.

Can we discuss what 'real peace' means?

Hegseth disgusts me, I hasten to add.

Calling him names? Which name? Mate?

Also @SerendipityJane which kind of diplomacy works with Trump? He talks to his supposed allies in quite a manner, calling us cowards and what else. Time for his Majesty DJTrump to face the same.

His bank account full, that is what peace means to this lot.

They do need reminding that they do not own the world!

All this has achieved is making the Ayatollah 30 years younger but otherwise the same, and giving Iran control of the Strait of Hormuz which up until now has had pretty free traffic for decades

AcrossthePond55
Will the price of fuel come down to prewar levels? No, they never do.

It's true that fuel doesn't come down in price to where it was before it went up (I can remember when it went up to 2/10d a gallon); but it will probably come down a fair amount once Trump stops playing the giddy goat. I can remember doom-laden headlines about the price of fuel when I was living somewhere else, so it must have been last century, and then it came back down. I can also remember local supermarkets only selling fuel to "essential workers", nurses and doctors and the like, possibly at that time; not quite rationing but getting there.

On 15th November 2010 the cheapest diesel where I was living cost 119.9p per litre; it went up to 145ppl at one point after that, and as low as 97.7ppl in January and February 2016, up to 115ppl by the end of that year. It's been up and down since; last time it was at £2 (oh, all right, 199.9ppl) per litre was in 2022.

In early March I filled up at 143.9ppl; the same garage, the cheapest near here, now has diesel at 188.9ppl. I expect it to come back down to something around 150ppl if I wait.

Are you thinking of yourself, your family, your community, your country ?

Starmers #1 priority should be the safety and security of the UK. In almost exactly the same way it wasn't for: David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak and very much last, Liz Truss lettuce whisperer.

To that end if being quiet and avoiding histrionics servers him - and the UK - better then so be it.

International diplomacy is a high stakes poker game. But a well played weak hand can beat a badly played strong hand. as Iran would probably agree.