A whole civilisation will die tonight.

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Tumps exact words today!

WTAF? That sounds like he is about to drop a Nuke!

How the hell has the world got here?

Trumps truth social posts sounds more like something that a dramatic gleeful tv presenter would say in a game show. Not something a world leader threatening to blow up an entire civilisation.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-war-latest-trump-tehran-us-israel-kharg-island-netanyahu-lebanon-strikes-drone-live-sky-news-13509565

The current regime has tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of supporters. It simply is not going to be displaced and no-one with any claim to be one of the "best minds on the planet" believes that it will. If this is Trump's thinking, it is simply more evidence of how delusional he is.

LOL

Don’t know what you mean! 😁

I follow Senator Mark Kelly (flew 39 combat missions during the first Gulf war; ex astronaut and space shuttle pilot, rather a different career to the draft dodging casino bankrupter) He said publically last year that military personnel are not obliged to obey illegal orders, Trump accused him of sedition and called for his execution and the vile Hegseth went after his pension. The amount of abuse and threats he gets is so absolutely shocking that I can only presume he really, really rattles the Trump factions.

However, his campaign funding went up so much (a million dollars in one day as an example) unsolicited, he is considering a run for President.

We know not all Americans support Trump and his regime. The big current problem is that he's replaced anyone who might disagree with him, including military high ranks and even his choices tend to be a revolving door. I believe sanity will eventually prevail but we have to get to that point and there's no denying that this is an appalling state of affairs, because at the moment there seem no 'grown ups' to intervene and control him.

Well, nobody is nuking Iran are they? And it's not as if Israel doesn't have nukes that could do it, they do. But somehow they have resisted. But Iran, would not.

And I draw a very clear line between the IRG and the Iranian people. The IRG should all be shot, every last one. the Iranian people should be free.

Israeli values are not “western values”. US values are not “European values”. I don’t think American and Israeli posters understand that we don’t think killing huge numbers of people is excusable in any way. We don’t support removing leaders (or their wives) or killing them with exploding mobile phones or by bombing them in their homes or terrifying, maiming and killing whole communities. We are not at war with anyone. We don’t want to be at war.

I support them.

Because I am very aware what a world with Iran having nukes would be like and I do not want to live in it.

Killing is wrong. But. The lesser of two evils is still lesser and not doing anythign is making a choice still. This is our war.

The confident ignorance from some posters on this thread demonstrates how the fat orange cunt got elected.

Once Iran starts seriously blowing things up though, you can"t roll back on that, I think they are beyond triggered now, that won"t be able to just be shut down on a whim or a social media post?

Less said about the ignorance of anti war protestors wandering through London with IRG flags....

Congress is on holiday
Independent commentators talk about it
The people talk a good talk and march

That's about it

Are you a British citizen?

Murdering civilians is a war crime and it's not my war

The last two presidents had achieved a lot by negotiation

Trump just wants the oil

I’m wondering slightly if the US forces in the area are just getting on doing what they’ve been trained to do,… ignoring imbecilic words falling out of the hole at front of their ‘presidents’ head.
Does absolutely nobody there, in his circle know how to speak truth to power??

My SIL is in Tehran.

The IRGC are doing just fine. They are no longer sitting in the buildings being blown up by Israel, because they are happily camping in civilian areas instead.

Taking out infrastructure will starve Iranian civilians who have already been under bombardment for weeks.

Just how many “ordinary Iranians” are you expecting to rise up, since the 40k or so who did that a few short weeks ago were murdered in cold blood? Is the big-brained military intelligence based on the Somme in 1916?? Iranians may punch above their weight in terms of cojones, but if that’s the fucking US/Israeli plan, it’s actual dog shit.

I would gently suggest that you are being rather too credulous in the face of overwhelming evidence that bombing Iran was a massive clusterfuck by the orange shitgibbon, who appears to be certifiably insane.

Language Timothy!!

Sadly the western world and US allies are standing back and watching. They are complicit in this genocide.

I hope you're right, and that Israel is actually in control and things are going according to their plan. Netanyahu is the only world leader I have any confidence in at the moment.

1 hr till 8pm is that not the deadline?

The apartheid argument isn’t about one law like the death penalty. It’s about a system where very clearly Israelis and Palestinians in the same area are subject to different laws. For example Palestinians are tried in military courts, while Israeli settlers are tried in civil courts. In addition, when it comes to things like movement, land use, and rights are heavily restricted for Palestinians but not for Israelis. There’s a really sad book called ‘We are not numbers’ which highlights brutally from young Palestinians some of the issues (wearenotnumbers.org). Agree with you that the Americans are definitely not the ones to resolve this, they are not good faith actors due to how much AIPAC is embroiled in the US system.

The American dream will die, Trump will be a war criminal whether he cares or not, many ordinary people will be killed, 'lets make America great again'! And Iran will retaliate. He's good at U turns I hope this will be another one.

From Sky News in the last hour:
Downing Street won't comment on US using UK bases to bomb Iranian civilian infrastructure
Downing Street has refused to say whether the UK would prevent the US from potentially using British assets for attacks on Iranian infrastructure.
The UK previously granted the US permission to use British military bases, including Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean and RAF Fairford in Gloucestershire, for "defensive" strikes on Iranian missile sites.
But the debate has continued throughout the war and has been reenergised over Donald Trump's threats to bomb civilian targets, like Iranian power plants.
Asked whether the government would stop UK assets from being used for attacks on infrastructure, the PM's official spokesman said: "We won't be providing a running commentary on allies' operations, including their use of bases.
"Just to point out that our position on this hasn't changed."

It’s very worrying. I cringe when those broadcasting the news have to quote him verbatim. It makes them sound as ridiculous as he is.

I mean, we have to hope that someone tonight will be as brave as Stanislav Petrov, either the aide who has the nuclear football or the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Wait… what do you mean the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the first one to ever not be a four-star general, not be active duty military (retired Air Force), and before 2025, was a venture capitalist Trump supporter who profits from defense and war? He also has significant skin in the game as he supports Israel; I have no idea if he’s actually serving Trump or Netanyahu or both.

You have confidence in Netanyahu to start World War Three? Because he's well on the way to achieving that particular goal.