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Bored of Peace? Let's Mambo! - Trump Thread #158

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Spandauer · 21/03/2026 11:39

Cuba - the appetiser to Greenland?

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https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5501326-war-huh-good-god-what-is-it-good-for-absolutely-nothing-trump-thread-157

Bored of Peace? Let's Mambo! - Trump Thread #158
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logicisall · 25/03/2026 20:59

According to a question put to Bullshite Barbie, and which she deflected, the 'gift' Iran supposedly gave Trump might be a tanker with 2 million barrels of oil!

Rigged to explode on opening like in those porch bandits videos?

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 25/03/2026 21:12

Accurate, though, @SerendipityJane. Thank you.

MsJinks · 25/03/2026 21:43

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2026 20:50

Gotta say that’s a lot more tasteful than Trump’s efforts - a lot more truthful as well sadly.

Thank you Jane.

Just to clarify for the odd person who might be new to these chats this in no way means I support the Iranian regime.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Llttledrummergirls · 25/03/2026 21:59

MsJinks · 25/03/2026 21:43

Gotta say that’s a lot more tasteful than Trump’s efforts - a lot more truthful as well sadly.

Thank you Jane.

Just to clarify for the odd person who might be new to these chats this in no way means I support the Iranian regime.

I don't think anyone who is regularly on this thread are supporters of the Iranian regime.

MsJinks · 25/03/2026 22:06

Llttledrummergirls · 25/03/2026 21:59

I don't think anyone who is regularly on this thread are supporters of the Iranian regime.

Ah I know - I like this and the U.K. thread because of the regulars and their chat (and the learning from them too) - think I’m just getting too used to clarifying that I can hold more than one thought in my head at a time - also seeing some visitors on some of the chats.

whoTFismadelaine · 25/03/2026 22:27

I am wondering if Iran, China, Africa and a few others might agree to impose sanctions on USA? I think they are aware they have the worlds resources and they need to protect them far more than US ever needed protecting from Iran.

PickAChew · 25/03/2026 23:34

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2026 20:50

Ouch.

The bickering in that thread is quite entertaining.

Llttledrummergirls · 25/03/2026 23:41

MsJinks · 25/03/2026 22:06

Ah I know - I like this and the U.K. thread because of the regulars and their chat (and the learning from them too) - think I’m just getting too used to clarifying that I can hold more than one thought in my head at a time - also seeing some visitors on some of the chats.

I'm in a different bubble at the moment on this- I think some comments implying that posters must have black and white thinking, that they cannot abhor for example, the Iranian regime and Trumps illegal attempt at regime change are so fucking ridiculous it's not worth commenting on.

That a person is capable of holding opposing views at the same time depending on the situation seems to have passed by the gotcha lot.

I wonder how the judgement in the meta case today will effect this site. Could mnet allowing posts normalising the extremes be seen to cause harm?

trumpisruin · 26/03/2026 00:22

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2026 20:50

Thanks for the link
It's saccharine but still makes Trumps efforts look ridiculous.
Easy to get drawn in & momentarily forget that Iran has a brutal, oppressive & murderous regime.
Maybe someone needs to make a similar video about them!

PerkingFaintly · 26/03/2026 00:37

Llttledrummergirls · 25/03/2026 23:41

I'm in a different bubble at the moment on this- I think some comments implying that posters must have black and white thinking, that they cannot abhor for example, the Iranian regime and Trumps illegal attempt at regime change are so fucking ridiculous it's not worth commenting on.

That a person is capable of holding opposing views at the same time depending on the situation seems to have passed by the gotcha lot.

I wonder how the judgement in the meta case today will effect this site. Could mnet allowing posts normalising the extremes be seen to cause harm?

Oh yes, it's quite deliberate. Create a false dichotomy.

The device is obvious as soon as you've seen through it, but is still an energy-drain to deal with when it's being deployed by VERY NOISY AND PROLIFIC SHOUTY PEOPLE who flood the zone to stop their audience getting a moment to think.

Which of course is why they do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

False dilemma - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

RedTagAlan · 26/03/2026 01:49

Terrribletwos · 25/03/2026 18:03

Yes, it's interesting because other countries ships are getting through so it's like it's a token has been given to Russia and China and the west is being sanctioned.

Not a Token. Iran has been clear, the SoH is not closed. At least, it's not closed to friendly shipping, just to enemy.

UNCLOS, the UN law of the sea, is something I armchair follow because I am interested in the South China Sea stuff. And it probably won't be a surprise to hear that the interweb where I am is very restricted when it comes to territorial sea maps and shipping lanes. It's not just 9 dash line stuff that is, ahem.... censored. In fact, maps in general are blocked. Nothing more detailed than a primary school atlas appears to be allowed.

Iran has signed but not Ratified UNCLOS. So it accepts the basis of it, but is technically not bound by it. And it should not be a surprise at all to hear that of the very few other nations who have not ratified it, yup, the USA is one. Hilary Clinton is big on that oddly enough. It was a manifesto thing of hers to ratify it. The repugs say no.

The Map below is the most detailed people where I am are allowed pretty much. No details on the 12 mile territorial limit or the 24 mile contiguous limit. The 12 mile limit is territorial sea, so that is under the full control of the state, the 24 mile limit allows for some state control, but also freedom of passage must be allowed. The EEZ, up to 200 miles allows almost no state control for shipping.

But UNCLOS has a mechanism where up to two rules in the book can be ignored, so long as other member states are told at the time of ratification. For example, from what I can figure out, Oman opted out of automatic free passage of warships though it's sea, they need to ask permission.

The map below is the most detailed I can find of the SoH, and there is just not enough info to work out how UNCLOS applies.

The only power the UN has to enforce UNCLOS and freedom of passage is reciprocation. So if Iran does not allow UK and French ships through, Iranian ships can be denied passage through the English Channel.

So, Iran can't legally stop ships going through Oman waters on the map below, but TBH I don't know if they can, given safe depths etc.

So basically this is a long post to say... I don't know.

Also some parts of UNCLOS are intentionally fuzzy. Because how else to get so many nations to ratify it.

And in any case, there is a war on you know.

Bored of Peace? Let's Mambo! - Trump Thread #158
RedTagAlan · 26/03/2026 03:00

Just chewing the cud here,

The numbers in the snip below appear to be at off with what Trump claims. Where is the truth ?

But what stands out to me in the photo is the clock. I assume we are on a US ship, and here is the admiral in his nerve center doing his command and control with what looks like an Amazon budget office clock zip tied to a bunch of cables as an afterthought.

With my engineering background this makes my risk assessment bones rattle. Because even if we said this is not an Amazon clock, and it is a high spec super accurate calibrated shockproof magabuck device fitted with Duracell batteries, there is only one. There is no instant redundancy, no immediate cross check with a 2nd clock to make sure it is set to the correct time. For situations that are time critical this looks like something just waiting to go wrong.

And if it was just bolted there so sailors can check how long till tea time, it should not be there.

" Intell says the school will be empty 17:30 hrs, commence bomb run now."

Bored of Peace? Let's Mambo! - Trump Thread #158
logicisall · 26/03/2026 08:13

It's the US navy. They do things bigly, so one large clock = two smaller ones.

Tiddlywinks63 · 26/03/2026 08:22

Just wondering how the Straits can be open to ‘friendly’ ships? Are these fortunate beings told where to avoid the mines that have been planted? 🤔

logicisall · 26/03/2026 08:26

Tiddlywinks63 · 26/03/2026 08:22

Just wondering how the Straits can be open to ‘friendly’ ships? Are these fortunate beings told where to avoid the mines that have been planted? 🤔

They're being escorted by Iranian ships, that how the US knows there's a safe passage through (ATM).

RedTagAlan · 26/03/2026 08:28

Tiddlywinks63 · 26/03/2026 08:22

Just wondering how the Straits can be open to ‘friendly’ ships? Are these fortunate beings told where to avoid the mines that have been planted? 🤔

There are no mines known about. And if there are, they will be the remote detonated seabed type. Not the WW2 sort with horns. Ships have passed through. This is the problem Trump has. Modern mines are sophisticated, not dumb. They can be selectively exploded. If there are mines of course.

Tiddlywinks63 · 26/03/2026 08:29

logicisall · 26/03/2026 08:26

They're being escorted by Iranian ships, that how the US knows there's a safe passage through (ATM).

Ahhh, that makes sense until the Tangoturd bombs the Iranian ships….
Dear god, never in my long 72 years did I ever detest someone as much as the Tt.

DuncinToffee · 26/03/2026 08:41

Never mind the FIFA peace prize, here is Mike Johnson

Tonight we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award. He is the first ever recipient of the America first award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era.

Spandauer · 26/03/2026 08:41

Oh, my aching sides! He's got another gold award for the mantle piece. Could Mike Johnson be any further up the bigly orange sphincter?

www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mike-johnson-announces-created-award-001535860.html

Trump given 'nauseating' new golden statue award created by his own cronies
President Donald Trump appeared at the National Republican Congressional Committee's annual dinner in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday night, where he was given a physical golden trophy on stage by House Speaker Mike Johnson.
"Tonight, we have created a new award. We are going to do something we've never done before. We will honor him with a new award," said Johnson, one of Trump's most loyal congressional appointees. "He is the first-ever recipient of the America First Award. That is this beautiful golden statue here, appropriate for the golden era."
The live feed of the president's speech at the NRCC fundraising dinner didn't show him accepting the trophy from Johnson.
https://www.aol.com/articles/trump-given-nauseating-golden-statue-010940189.html

Trump given 'nauseating' new golden statue award created by his own cronies

The speaker of the House gifted Trump a golden trophy amid rising gas prices, an affordability crisis and a dire outlook for Republicans in the midterms

https://www.aol.com/articles/trump-given-nauseating-golden-statue-010940189.html

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Spandauer · 26/03/2026 08:42

Cross post with @DuncinToffee
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DuncinToffee · 26/03/2026 08:43

Spandauer · 26/03/2026 08:42

Cross post with @DuncinToffee
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We are not the same poster!!! spooky that 😅

DuncinToffee · 26/03/2026 08:49

More on the World Cup

The USA State dept require fans from Algeria, Senegal, Cape Verde, Ivory Coast and Tunisia to each have to pay a $15k deposit if they want to attend the 2026 World Cup. (Source: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/visas-news/countries-subject-to-visa-bonds.html

Efacsen · 26/03/2026 08:57

DuncinToffee · 26/03/2026 08:43

We are not the same poster!!! spooky that 😅

Have you reported to MNHQ - it's going to get confusing!

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