US strikes Iran

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In conjunction with Israel.
Why? Starting wars has never ever ended well for the US, or for the country they are trying to 'help.'

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5ge95q6y7t

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https://x.com/i/status/2027875646584852801

What's the end game here, are the yanks so stupid to realise that killing that man will.have little impact.

Iran is a huge country, this idea that you can put in a America puppet Shah and suddenly it's all ok is insane....he'd be dead by the end of the day.

I've worked in Iran and it can take weeks to travel to certain regions. The country is a mixture of some very well educated people but also I lot of very extreme radical religious groups. By killing the leader you could effectively makes things much worse.

you must realise theres alot more to this than just one leader ?

They certainly are.

Are the celebrating Iranians so stupid like the yanks too?

Give more prediction in detail ??

The Iranians celebrating in the streets of Iran right now might disagree with you there.

Thissssss

yes but the regyme apparently is not the nation itself.

Nope, I took poetic licence with a letter written to a Newspaper in 2014 about Israeli public diplomacy, which reminded me of the Narcissist's prayer.

I was just listening to Shiva Mahbobi on the radio, she was emotional for good reason.

Here is a link to her campaigning and where she outlines some of the atrocities on women by the regime.

https://www.wilpf.org/whilst-the-world-has-not-been-looking-the-iranian-regime-has-increased-execution-this-must-stop/

Yes it never fails to amaze me how many posters will leap to the defence of terrorist nutters who would end our way of life and freedoms in a heartbeat.

I also remember the same In Iraq, shoes being thrown at statues etc. Don't be fooled it doesn't work like that in the middle east. How do you think Iran ended up with that regime in the first place.

America is plunging the world into war and it's doing it for its own interests not the Iranians.

This risks turning the middle east into a war zone and my fear is in a broader context. Iran is huge and it's neighbours include Pakistan. Pakistan has relied on Iran to control some of the extreme militant groups that are in constant flux in the Balochistan mountains. This could easily destabilise Pakistan and see a rise in gorilla warfare between rival groups. I have travelled extensively in Iran and it's hard to describe how different the country is. A complex mix of people from the very well educated and liberal thinking to extreme religious doctrine.

So I can't be fooled into thinking that our way of life can some how be installed in Iran. Some may want that but there's also those that despise that idea. We found this in Afghanistan and Iraq.....

It’s worth listening to Iranians and not just filing them all the same as Iraq due to the Middle East location.

Listen to Iranian women’s rights activists too. Here’s a good start.

https://www.wilpf.org/whilst-the-world-has-not-been-looking-the-iranian-regime-has-increased-execution-this-must-stop/

This is a while ago but Shiva has been speaking with emotion on the radio, which is worth listening to.

With the announcement of the Ayatollahs death I was hoping for some sort of ‘at least’ reduction in the bombings

It seems not

From the Independent

‘Trump said on Saturday that U.S. operations could continue through the coming week and for as long as “necessary” with Israel announcing another wave of strikes on Tehran on Sunday.
The Revolutionary Guard threatened its “most intense offensive operation” against American and Israeli bases. Soon after, loud blasts were heard in Dubai and Doha for the second day as Iran launched retaliatory strikes.’

One site hit is Palm Island
Would be interested if anyone has any further intel on that.

I agree with you @Stirabout . If Iran was ready to finish the Islamic Republic and rise another government, I would expect that reduction or nil bombing. But it continues, plus the Guardian mentions iranian planes dropping the bombs.
They have lost quite a bit of their top commanders. Yet, the retaliation continues. And intensifies.
The bombing of the school is confirmed now and the number of deads kept creeping up.
I am beyond sad for all the lost lives and injuried.

My concerns that this attack would not lead to actual regime change have increased.
Trump is getting a lot of heat in US. He said this would be a long campaign and I do not think he will survive that.
Let's see what happens today.

Hopefully Iranians can overcome the doubts expressed.

Yes the regime has been horrendous not just for women's rights but for all rights. But don't think that every woman and every man shares our views on homosexuality and women's rights.....far from it. I have witnessed more than one public hanging to goading crowds.... having seen that you soon realise it's a very different world to ours.

There are parallel worlds in Iran and while I won't mourn the loss of a dictator I don't want more destructive wars.

We have a job to finish in the Ukraine, this is not what we need

Well I can't say im sad that khameini is gone. I have been looking at the news and listening to Iranians on social media. There seems to be a split. Some rejoicing the death of khameini and hoping this is the end of the regime, whilst others angry at the attack and mourning his death. Tbf there must have been support to some extent or he wouldn't have been in power for this long.

There will be no reduction in bombing by the IRGC, for the Shias killing Khamenei is the equivalent to killing the Pope for Catholics. The IRGC has been mostly bombing US bases in the region for nearly 24 hours degrading their Air Defences and shaping the field for attacks with stronger weapons.

Trump is giving shades of George W. Bush declaring "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq. He wanted a quick in and out but will be stuck, though Trump was nice enough to say American soldiers will die.

Also, instead of Iranians who want to overthrow the government being out on the streets it's 10s of thousands of Iranians who are angry and want revenge and I can't imagine they'll be welcoming to the Iranians who called for this.

Shia's across the region are also protesting in Iraq and Pakistan they're storming US embassies and assets.

Trump potentially turned this into a religious war, if Fatwas are issued calling for revenge this will not be a short conflict.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mob-barges-into-us-consulate-in-pak-sets-portions-of-building-afire-over-iran-11153134

Watch the markets when they reopen for early trading tonight.

Trump said they will carry on until the job is done
Not sure what he means by that
He’s declared to have hit already all potential nuclear sites and heads of the country ( not sure all on that )
I thought that was the aim ?

Thanks for the updates
It’s quite different from the U.K. headliners

You seem.pleased with this stance.

An expert on TV news just now said of course supporters of the regime are out, there is no danger to them. When people opposing the regime come out they are slaughtered in the thousands (as we have seen recently). Are you not aware of the military and its power to crush opposition? The military guard are extremely powerful.

Nearly half a century of a repressive regime takes some time to topple.

There is always support for tyrants as well as opposition. There will be cheering for his death and his supporters will mourn. Iran is not a free country so his supporters can show their feelings but any opposition has to be careful with a very powerful military still in charge

Trump is surrounded by advisors who do not have Americans best interests at heart and "yes men/women". He thinks that power trumps everything.

They have no idea about Shia ideology, sacrifice, honour and martyrdom are central to their beliefs. Shia who hold Husayn in the highest regard, during the battle of Karbala Husayn rode into battle with 60 men vs 30'000 and was martyred. During the Iran/Iraq war 1980-1988 Iran had no weapons due to being unable to fix them after sanctions and Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons and killed 100s of thousands, Iranians still fought and at a point even entered Iraq.

The Iranians have been planning for this war since 1979, they watched Iraq, Libya, Syria and knew they were on the list.

Yes, Iranian generals have been killed, their replacements were appointed weeks ago (as were the replacements of the replacements). How long it lasts will depend on whether the IRGC wants to drag America into a war of attrition. Remember China and Russia are sharing intelligence and have a vested interest olin Iran not "falling" as it could be destabilising for them.

A good follow is former British Diplomat Alaistair Crooke who lives in the region and has contact with military in those countries.
https://conflictsforum.substack.com/p/israel-pre-empts-us-iran-negotiations

Also Judge Napolitano, Lieutenant Daniel Davis (who's been warning about putting American soldier at risk for 2 months!), Larry Johnson (ex-Cia), Redacted with Clayton Morris and the best Professor John Mearsheimer.

ihatetomatoes Being a Realist and knowing the history of a country and the current status of geopolitics, does not mean "supporting" it means being informed.

My Mum grew up going to discos, working in a bank and wearing a bikini, by the time she had me she was petrified to leave the house and 2 years after that we were living in a council estate in London after fleeing in the middle of the night and my dad was dead. Well meaning or not, it’s becoming apparent left wing people haven’t got the slightest clue about the real world and how fragile civilisation actually is. Grow up.