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Alice Evans-Ioan Gruffudd

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Notatallanamechange · 27/02/2026 14:44

In court this week, think this is the last part of their legal stuff? Anyway, what has really struck me with this is how the Daily Mail have been complicit in her narrative and the abuse he gets. It’s came out in the court she has made 30k from them, selling her stories. I’m aware it’s an absolute rag, but paying someone with an DVRO and running their stories, in an attempt to paint their victim in a negative light is surely low, even by their standards?

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ThiagoJones · 27/02/2026 20:29

I don’t think she has mental health issues, I think she has a personality disorder.

PeopleLikeColdplayYouCantTrustPeopleJez · 27/02/2026 20:55

ThiagoJones · 27/02/2026 20:29

I don’t think she has mental health issues, I think she has a personality disorder.

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No, that’s fair actually. Although I don’t know much about personality disorders I must admit.

Notatallanamechange · 27/02/2026 21:03

I’m genuinely not sure whether she has mental health issues, or whether she’s just plain nasty. But the Daily Mail have given her a platform for abuse, and it’s shameful more hasn’t been made of it.

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MrsLizzieDarcy · 27/02/2026 21:17

You can only imagine what Ioan had to live with too. There is a huge stigma still (wrongly) about men who are being domestically abused. I can't imagine what he went through seeing how vindictive she is.

ThisCyanPoet · 27/02/2026 21:26

Mulledjuice · 27/02/2026 17:37

How do you all know so much about it if not by reading about it in the DM?

That’s what has been so bad about it.

He has never badmouthed her or said anything online/in interviews. He dealt with it all through the court only. She was making such a scene online that it drew the attention of tattle who obtained all the court docs (as they are publicly available) so the truth was found out that way. Without tattle, she would still be getting away with smearing him. She doesn’t care that it impacts their kids and sells them out whenever she sees an opportunity to benefit from it.

She has horrifically abused him for years and will do the same to anyone who associates with him or voices that they think he was right to leave/suggest she should focus on moving on. People online were advising her to stop posting videos of herself drunk and slurring and she would would relentlessly attack them, calling their employers and all sorts. She had $80,000 in the bank whilst begging for money on GoFundMe (saying she needed help because Ioan refused to pay any maintenance). Ioan was paying her $10,000 a month at the time. He’d also overpaid support by $400,000.

Ioan submitted over 8,000 pages of online posts she had been making slagging him off online and this is just what she did after the restraining order (she had also been doing lots more offline). She’s mentally and emotionally abused their children to the point that he can’t have a relationship with them anymore. In the end after spending about half a million on therapists/court he gave up to stop her using them as a weapon against him. Now it’s come to light the judge can’t sign it off because she is a proven abuser - The system massively failed them and I hope the judge makes sure she is heavily supervised going forward. They are so brainwashed at this point, it would probably be more harmful to remove them.

Tattle actually did a good thing here. Now Andrea Burkhart is reporting on the trial. She does a YouTube each night after to discuss what happened. The trial videos are long, but I’d advise watching them, the first one also explains the background really well. Alice also tried to intimidate her, but it didn’t work.

ThisCyanPoet · 27/02/2026 21:27

Notatallanamechange · 27/02/2026 21:03

I’m genuinely not sure whether she has mental health issues, or whether she’s just plain nasty. But the Daily Mail have given her a platform for abuse, and it’s shameful more hasn’t been made of it.

100% just plain nasty. The things she has done are really calculated and vindictive.

CreepyCoupe · 27/02/2026 21:31

I feel so sorry for the 2 daughters. Their mother is vile and she had probably done untold damage to them. I don’t think she’s fit to parent.

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 27/02/2026 23:20

@ThisCyanPoet Andrea’s videos are long!

Any indication of how long the whole thing will take?

ThisCyanPoet · 27/02/2026 23:35

NoCommentingFromNowOn · 27/02/2026 23:20

@ThisCyanPoet Andrea’s videos are long!

Any indication of how long the whole thing will take?

Well she’s done four so far and from memory the first one was over three hours because she spent the first hour explaining the background. The second one was just over three hours again. Third one was two (only a half day in court) and the forth one was nearly five hours, but that was because it was Alice’s day to be questioned. There will probably be five next week too. I’ve seen tattle recommending that the speed be changed to 1.25 or 1.5 as she does talk quite slowly, but personally I don’t mind. If you don’t want to watch them all, maybe get the background from the first one and Alice’s (day four). The DVRO stuff is done now and the judge will likely rule for that on Monday.

Next week will be interesting though as the forensic expert will testify and go through all the evidence of Alice’s actual bank balance whilst she claimed poverty. I can’t see how the judge would not issue a lifetime DVRO and that decision will likely dictate whether he stops her spousal support. Again I think he will because no-one should have to pay their abuser. He may end up paying a bit more in maintenance for the kids, but he’s not disputing that and has/is happy to pay what the court direct.

corblimeyguvnr · 27/02/2026 23:47

He's paying what $4000 a month for his kids? That's pretty pathetic for California and his career.

Back2TheDrawingBoard · 28/02/2026 00:00

I think he's a dick to start a new family when his first one was in such a state. If you already have 2 apparently troubled children then I'd suggest concentrating on them. Emotionally, physically and financially.

Typical man tho. Who just "happens" to fall in love with a younger woman 5 mins after leaving the old model. What a coincidence. No overlap at all, honest guv!

(None of this excuses psycho behaviour by her tho)

HazelMaze · 28/02/2026 01:39

He didn’t have troubled children when they split, and when the kids started showing signs of dysfunction, he got them into therapy… which their mother constantly disrupted and then discontinued entirely. So no, it’s not sequential like that.

Also he didn’t have another kid until five years after separating, and after years of not being able to see his kids at all due to what looks like a clear-cut case of parental alienation.

In some places he seems to have gotten poor counsel (like initially trying to divorce through some sort of consensus process and then having to restart) but the man hasn’t said a bad word about his ex while she’s been sandblasting him on social media, to their kids, and in the Daily Mail. He’s clearly someone who tries to avoid conflict wherever possible, but he was married to the polar opposite.

Her behavior as described during this court case (by her!!!) isn’t something that just spontaneously crops up because of a divorce. She’s been like this the whole time, though probably not at full throttle. And he lived with that for almost 20 years. I can’t really kick him for marrying and having another kid five years after leaving her.

BastardtheCat · 28/02/2026 05:58

Why didn’t he attempt custody of his children though?

Why did he leave them with her?

Catisheavyonmylap · 28/02/2026 06:03

Back2TheDrawingBoard · 28/02/2026 00:00

I think he's a dick to start a new family when his first one was in such a state. If you already have 2 apparently troubled children then I'd suggest concentrating on them. Emotionally, physically and financially.

Typical man tho. Who just "happens" to fall in love with a younger woman 5 mins after leaving the old model. What a coincidence. No overlap at all, honest guv!

(None of this excuses psycho behaviour by her tho)

Couldn’t agree more!

babymamalove · 28/02/2026 06:33

BastardtheCat · 28/02/2026 05:58

Why didn’t he attempt custody of his children though?

Why did he leave them with her?

He did. Read the court documents.

HazelMaze · 28/02/2026 06:52

BastardtheCat · 28/02/2026 05:58

Why didn’t he attempt custody of his children though?

Why did he leave them with her?

He did attempt shared custody. Initially straightforward but quickly the eldest kid started bucking the schedule and frequently the younger one was the only one making the visits. The visits got more and more unhinged behaviorally (and access to the kids more sporadic), culminating in an overnight visit suggested by their mother after months of stonewalling. The account of that visit itself is nuts, but we know what happened because Ioan was so disturbed by a combination of the kids’ evolving behavior and their mother’s insinuations that he had a child psychologist there as a chaperone.

So that doc saw the girls arrive, start livestreaming the inside of the house, pour milk on the bed and other food on their father and the counters (scrawling swears in the mess), and then ran away and called a friend of their mother’s to pick them up as Ioan, his girlfriend, and various others tried to find them. The eldest then filed a restraining order against her father and his girlfriend, which is why the doctor’s impartial account of the visit is available. (The attempt to get a restraining order failed, which you can also read in transcripts, as a very patient judge walks the kid through her claims.) Honestly the whole sequence reads like a setup.

So… yeah. Ioan then tried to get them into regular reunification therapy, but their mother kept skipping sessions and firing therapists. There was also a review of some sort by a professional regarding custody and the professional seems to have sided with the mother - no one’s seen that report (and it’s sealed so no one will), but the judge in the recent case expressed confusion as to how someone with an active domestic violence restraining order has ended up with essentially total custody.

This is why people are talking about parental alienation so much regarding this case. He seems to have been willing and eager to share custody, but wasn’t willing to go scorched-earth about it in the beginning, and by the time it became clear that nothing short of a custody case sorted by a judge would be effective - the girls were not only turned against him, but willing to falsely accuse him to lodge a restraining order. And the only reason that didn’t work is because he literally paid a professional observer to attend the visit. And I’m not even getting into what Alice has said/written/posted about how the girls must be loyal to her, about what she’s willing to accuse Ioan of if he doesn’t play ball, etc.

I’m sure Ioan also wishes he’d approached all of this differently, now that this is the outcome, but considering the man fled his martial home with only the clothes on his back and has secured four years’ worth of domestic violence restraining orders… He had a lot of stuff going on.

EvangelineTheNightStar · 28/02/2026 06:58

Usually Alice’s supporters will turn up on these threads..
but yes she is awful, but so many people cannot see beyond the “ex-wife is the victim” narrative despite all the evidence sadly

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CarelessWimper · 28/02/2026 07:21

I think another point to mention is the damage to their careers that she has caused..

if she wasn’t acting like the nightmare ex from hell, both herself and Ian would be much more likely to be getting more work.

She was in the Vampire Diaries so if nothing else there should be lots of conventions or birthday messages she could do.

Heatedrival · 28/02/2026 07:25

She was exhibiting quite disturbing behaviour long before the separation and he stood by her and supported her. Some of her posts on twitter were very disturbing.
She couldn’t have made things worse for children it’s appalling.

TurquoiseDress · 28/02/2026 07:26

I wouldn’t be surprised at anything the Daily Mail will stoop to

Fluffyholeysocks · 28/02/2026 07:27

Looking back at my DC's childhood, I think it went so quickly. Time is precious and I hope I did my best for my DC. I can't help but think the two girls must be affected by the constant battle their mother felt she was fighting in public. Married couples relationships sadly break down, but rather than seeking revenge or feeling the need to come out on top at all costs, parents should try to minimise the upheaval on their children. There was no need for this lengthy drawn out public airing of her greivances. It's gone on far too long - for much of the girls childhood. I can't imagine how this has affected them.

BastardtheCat · 28/02/2026 07:29

HazelMaze · 28/02/2026 06:52

He did attempt shared custody. Initially straightforward but quickly the eldest kid started bucking the schedule and frequently the younger one was the only one making the visits. The visits got more and more unhinged behaviorally (and access to the kids more sporadic), culminating in an overnight visit suggested by their mother after months of stonewalling. The account of that visit itself is nuts, but we know what happened because Ioan was so disturbed by a combination of the kids’ evolving behavior and their mother’s insinuations that he had a child psychologist there as a chaperone.

So that doc saw the girls arrive, start livestreaming the inside of the house, pour milk on the bed and other food on their father and the counters (scrawling swears in the mess), and then ran away and called a friend of their mother’s to pick them up as Ioan, his girlfriend, and various others tried to find them. The eldest then filed a restraining order against her father and his girlfriend, which is why the doctor’s impartial account of the visit is available. (The attempt to get a restraining order failed, which you can also read in transcripts, as a very patient judge walks the kid through her claims.) Honestly the whole sequence reads like a setup.

So… yeah. Ioan then tried to get them into regular reunification therapy, but their mother kept skipping sessions and firing therapists. There was also a review of some sort by a professional regarding custody and the professional seems to have sided with the mother - no one’s seen that report (and it’s sealed so no one will), but the judge in the recent case expressed confusion as to how someone with an active domestic violence restraining order has ended up with essentially total custody.

This is why people are talking about parental alienation so much regarding this case. He seems to have been willing and eager to share custody, but wasn’t willing to go scorched-earth about it in the beginning, and by the time it became clear that nothing short of a custody case sorted by a judge would be effective - the girls were not only turned against him, but willing to falsely accuse him to lodge a restraining order. And the only reason that didn’t work is because he literally paid a professional observer to attend the visit. And I’m not even getting into what Alice has said/written/posted about how the girls must be loyal to her, about what she’s willing to accuse Ioan of if he doesn’t play ball, etc.

I’m sure Ioan also wishes he’d approached all of this differently, now that this is the outcome, but considering the man fled his martial home with only the clothes on his back and has secured four years’ worth of domestic violence restraining orders… He had a lot of stuff going on.

Dear God, that’s awful.
My DM has (an undiagnosed) personality disorder I’m pretty sure. We’re NC for the last 5 yrs. Parents divorced in the late 70’s and as a toddler, I grew up seeing my DM’s fury and jealousy unfold and multiply and life was intolerable. She hated my DF and I couldn’t even mention his name without her lashing out at me. I learned to not ask about him. I was used to hurt him in her war against him yet on the times I saw him, he’d never bad mouth her. As an adult, he told me that fathers had little rights in the late 70’s so couldn’t demand more access, as my DM put out more and more disturbing lies about him.

Thanks for the explanation though - I was mildly curious because I’m from the same town and knew of them before stardom. What an awful, awful situation. The daughters sound damaged. 😞

ThisCyanPoet · 28/02/2026 08:32

Back2TheDrawingBoard · 28/02/2026 00:00

I think he's a dick to start a new family when his first one was in such a state. If you already have 2 apparently troubled children then I'd suggest concentrating on them. Emotionally, physically and financially.

Typical man tho. Who just "happens" to fall in love with a younger woman 5 mins after leaving the old model. What a coincidence. No overlap at all, honest guv!

(None of this excuses psycho behaviour by her tho)

He did.

He spent everything he had on going to court and therapy, it was something like $500,000. She was abusing the kids too. Shouting, swearing and manipulating them to abuse him and lovebombing them as a reward - As kids, they leaned into what got them praise and love. If they didn’t show hatred towards him, she would berate them.

In the end, it wasn’t safe for him to be with them alone. The last time he did, one of the kids trashed his home whilst recording or live streaming it. The whole thing was set up my his ex, who very promptly then applied for a restraining order against him and his girlfriend for the daughter (which appeared in the Daily Mail before it had even been filed at court) and she posted the video of it on twitter.

The daughter’s statement said that Bianca had slammed her head in a door. It was in fact her who shoved Bianca for no reason. This was corroborated by Ioan, a neighbour and the child psychologist who was in attendance. It was also admitted by the child in court when her mum left the room.

He decided to step back from contact as it was evident that it was causing the children far too much stress and it wasn’t safe for him. He has been paying for the kids to have therapy and Alice either refused to take them, interfered with him taking them or wpuld interrupt the sessions by barging in and on one occasion threw herself on the floor screaming for them to call her an ambulance.

Why should he and his partner let his vicious ex continue to control his life? Yes they had a baby, but that’s all people comment on and use it an excuse to call him “just as bad” or “a shit father”. It really pisses me off because no-one would say that to a woman in this situation. He was abused in ways that people would never believe unless he’d had the evidence to back up, which he does. She has provided nothing to prove otherwise, not one thing.

He still pays child maintenance, pays for their phones and their healthcare and has never suggested that he doesn’t want to continue doing that.

LizzieSiddal · 28/02/2026 08:41

She’s unhinged and it’s terrible she has custody of those girls, they are so damaged by her behaviour.

I hope he gets the restraining order against Alice for life. She’s a danger to him and his wife.