Labour isn't Working - Thread 28

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Continued carry on with discussion.

One also wonders how many convictions were correct and safe.

Drakeford in Wales never brainstormed or consulted his labour MPs just announced it as a fait accomplis. We're still sending trees to Uganda. But no-one is checking if there's any in the ground.

I feel like our options now are politicians who are really thick or really corrupt.

Does anyone know who's making the AI videos behind "Proud of us"? I particularly like today's one although I think that was one for International Women's Day. Maybe they didn't have it ready then.

Anyway, I'm wary of things after Crewkerne Gazette! There's nothing on their website giving any names. Great work though.

Best to quietly enjoy AI if it's entertaining.

YouGov backs down in row with Nigel Farage

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/882c42125990247a

So, YouGov have deviated from the industry standard of simply asking, 'Who is your favoured party?' to, 'Who will you vote for in your constituency?' and failing to make clear in their weekly published voting polls that this is why they have been producing markedly different results from the other players.

They have argued that they are producing more accurate results because it accounts for tactical voting. But they have failed to make clear that they had shifted their method both from their earlier polls and from the industry standard.

And it's not that other pollster aren't very creative about this stuff or unaware about tactical voting, they are just much more clear about what they are asking when they shift the question. Here's more in common of ln who people would choose to vote against. It's from about two weeks ago.

Badenoch seems to be flying significantly under the radar of people's grudges here but, so, worryingly are the Greens.

Labour attack young people via policies and get rising youth unemployment. So now must pay to try to change it.

Why are they so terrible economically?

Interesting that so many conservative voters would vote to keep Reform.

I am a conservative voter, the Greens would be my first concern and Labour my next biggest worry. I would prefer the Conservatives, but would certainly vote Reform to keep the Left out.

Interesting

I can't bring myself to vote Reform, though I get why people would.

I think many Tory voters who haven't moved to Reform are the more moderate Tories (the old-style ones), so potentially that's why Reform really aren't their thing. ERG Tories vote Reform. Moderate Tories who detested the ERG would vote to keep them out. Maybe.

Fluffy, I think the situation in the country is so dangerous that faction- ism on the right of politics has to stop this minute.

The, latest from Starmer is just going to drive us further from the US, that being refusal to send Ships to the Straight Of Hormuz and is probably likely to make us a bigger terrorist attack. This, also will give the US more reasons to question their commitment to NATO which in the current circumstances is absolutely crucial to the UK's security and any notions that we are able to defend ourselves or Europe.

I read that the 'horse' man Ed Davey believes we should have our own Nuclear Warheads not ones ultimately controlled by the US giving . The man is obviously an idiot, because in a Nuclear War it is so 'important' that the warhead that was fired was under the issuing of the UK and not the US. This, highlights the utter 'buffoon' of a man he is and yet he heads up the supposed 'Centrist' party highlighting how perilous the UK's political system currently is.

Just make us a bigger target for a terrorist attack...

The UK isn't the only country resisting Trump's demands though, @redange Australia, France, Japan and others have told him no.

Javier Milei must be wondering what to do given, how pathetic we currently are looking and with a Pacifist Prime Minister at the helm. Given, how we have 'Fucked Off' Trump do you think he would forbid Milei from seeking the acquisition of the Falkland Islands. I do think though that Milei is a very 'astute' man and may seek to negotiate with a weak Labour Government in say 12- 18 Months and possible, that even against a 97% vote to remain British, the Labour administration could rescind their rights to govern the islands.

I know what you mean

but "Proudofus" is so good, I actually think they should use it in schools.

Whoever is behind it is doing a fantastic job. I'm hearing stories that I didn't know - and I love history - and stories that would be really important for bonding

I've just seen something on another thread which makes me think how incredibly important it is that we keep shared history and culture alive. I feel like we're on the last handful of people who actually want to do that, so if we can't pass it down the next generation just inherits more globoslop.

For sure we could not have a worse flip flopper in charge if we tried with front benchers pushing a dangerous agenda

I won't vote for a party I think will be as bad (just in a different way) as Labour. And that's how I feel about Reform.

Everybody is allowed red lines and to not vote for any party they don't think will be good for the country (or their county, in locals).

I appreciate some will hold their nose though, but they're too right for me. And I think they'd be an economic disaster. That's not factionism, IMO.

In a Government briefing this morning Starmer gave an illustration of his incisive and original thinking: "To end this crisis we must open the Strait of Hormuz." (paraphrased).

I despair.

Edit: typo.

I don't think we have any ships of the right type to send.

From what I read on the web the Type 45s are mostly laid up having repairs or refits done.

The Type 23s don't have the best sort of missile arrangement to deal with the sorts of threats that are presented.

The astute class subs I think are mostly laid up being repaired - the one that is in good shape is being sent to Australia as part of UKAUS.

Our carriers can't sail without escorts (Type 45s and subs normally) so if there are no destroyers available the carriers can't sail.

So as far as I can tell we've effectively got no navy.

Our navy is being refitted to better deal with the sorts of problems drones present with some innovative and cost effective tech, but we are so way away away from completing this.

We could send some more planes (probably). But they would have to be based somewhere.

As for the Lib Dems, I don't really understand the strategy here. They were the one main party that appeared to stand for nuclear disarmament, so offering voters an alternative choice. Now it appears they have flip flopped to building our own weapons, which as well as being incredibly expensive is going to take a very long time to achieve given our experience with other capital defence projects and be very risky. If we are interested in going for some independent US weapons then maybe some free fall bombs (the French have these) would be more cost effective yet achieve the same objective all be it with some capability loss.

Our defence workforce at the moment is pretty much fully tied up with fixing old problems on the Astute class subs and Type 45s while trying to build the new frigate force and new Dreadnought class subs. Getting a load of human resource to build a new nuclear missile would be hard work.

I take it he didn’t say how.

Me too. Not an issue where I live, but if it was, I would.

I really like the ProudOfUs stuff - it's a bit of much needed positivity, and I'm also sick to death, or possibly beyond, of the relentless self-loathing and negativity about the UK from certain quarters.

I love the proudofus stuff too!

I haven’t seen the proud of us stuff.

We could be in Norway’s position if we weren’t so stubborn:

I should say, I don't actually have a huge amount of confidence re. Reform and the economy, I just have even less confidence in Labour and less again in the ability of the Greens.
What a shitshow all round, basically.