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Labour isn't Working - Thread 28

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redange · 27/02/2026 11:02

Continued carry on with discussion.

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justasking111 · 14/03/2026 04:31

Starmer has got so much wrong in this job. Hermer was in the house of commons this week listening to him. Why I wonder.

Who's really running the show these days.

Parsley4321 · 14/03/2026 08:09

Whose Hermer please

CruCru · 14/03/2026 08:16

Richard Hermer, the Attorney General. Quite a few people think he has a lot of influence over Starmer’s political approach.

EasternStandard · 14/03/2026 08:19

CruCru · 14/03/2026 08:16

Richard Hermer, the Attorney General. Quite a few people think he has a lot of influence over Starmer’s political approach.

I’ve heard the take on Times radio. When Starmer was up against it with the leadership challenge stuff he went to Hermer for advice.

Parsley4321 · 14/03/2026 08:21

Thank you so much darkness in politics

redange · 14/03/2026 10:54

Left Wing Article but outline about Phill Wollas who has sadly died.

Wollas was one Labour MP who was aware of the damage that Uncontrolled immigration was doing to the UK. Wollas unfortunately lost his job as immigration minister and expelled from the party.

Woolas: hoist by his own petard - Institute of Race Relations (irr.org.uk)

Woolas: hoist by his own petard - Institute of Race Relations

Phil Woolas, one of the harshest of immigration ministers, has lost his parliamentary seat for distributing misinformation about immigration to tar his opponent. The ejection of Phil Woolas from Parliament, and suspension from the Labour Party, on 5 No...

https://irr.org.uk/article/woolas-hoist-by-his-own-petard/

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redange · 14/03/2026 11:00

How correct was Wollas when he said this in 2008 !

He was appointed immigration minister in October 2008 and, within a month, attacked organisations and lawyers providing support to asylum seekers as an ‘industry’ with a ‘vested interest’.[5] Most people seeking asylum, he claimed, were not in need of protection, and soon after, he made clear his intent to stop appeals to high court judges from refused asylum seekers who were going to be removed from the UK.[6]

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DameProfessorIDareSay · 14/03/2026 14:20

Well worth a read:

"In contemporary progressive culture, psychological vulnerability carries moral weight. To speak in the language of harm is not merely to describe an internal state, but to stake a claim to legitimacy. Pain confers authority. Emotional injury establishes innocence. Politics increasingly borrows from the vocabulary of therapy.
Terms such as trauma, safety, triggering and harm now function as political tools. As these concepts migrate out of the therapy room and into ideology, the definition of injury expands. Ordinary stress becomes damage. Disagreement becomes threat. Discomfort is reframed as injustice. In such an environment, even extreme emotional reactions are treated as not just legitimate, but actively encouraged.
Institutions reinforce this pattern. Universities, media organisations, and workplaces increasingly normalise self-diagnosis. Emotional pain is met with validation, accommodation, and moral standing. This does not mean the distress is fabricated. But it does mean it is amplified and woven into identity. Suffering becomes something to be displayed rather than worked through."

We see this played out so often, not just in the USA but here in the UK (I have seen it a lot with so called ’trans rights’ activists for example).

"On the Left, political identity can often become inseparable from selfhood. When politics is experienced as an all-encompassing struggle between good and evil, emotional intensity escalates. Opponents are no longer merely wrong, but dangerous. Disagreement becomes existential threat. Loss becomes catastrophe”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0d8da94de5421111

There’s a reason the Left seems more psychologically distressed than the Right

As a therapist, I’ve seen it first hand: only on one side of the divide is emotional pain rewarded or turned into a political weapon

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0d8da94de5421111

DameProfessorIDareSay · 14/03/2026 14:22

A very perceptive comment on the above article:

"This is an interesting and in many ways perceptive article, but I think the author loses focus by framing the conservative/progressive divide in terms of self-restraint versus emotional incontinence, which is only part of the story. The bigger and more frightening issue is that the omnicause left show all the signs of being in the grip of the kind of psychotic 'madness of crowds' characteristic of mass movements. They have surrendered individual moral and rational judgement in favour of a collective and much more primitive state of mind which liberates and legitimises the darker side of human nature while loudly professing its own virtue. The online mobs and the Cambridge students who send other young people to Coventry for reading the wrong books are marching to the same tune as the crowds at the Nuremberg rallies."

Upstartled · 14/03/2026 14:57

I just think the left went bananas.

There was real merit in talking about standpoints and how a personal perspective might be informed and limited by the manner in which a person is fixed in society. No problem, it's a sound theory.

But then it was reduced to a top trumps situation in which the most disempowered person in the room is considered, by their very position in society, to have the most true, moral and authentic perspective.

And then followed the march to hide all your advantages in life and pretend that you are victimised by language and hidden intent or, failing that, you are able to aline yourself with the victimisation of others so that you may borrow a platform of superior perspective. And thus, the omnicause was invented.

EasternStandard · 14/03/2026 15:55

I don’t think they can say they are progressive parties anymore. As the left struggles to deal with economics - see Labour - there’s only anti women stuff left. On a couple of counts it’s regressive alignment.

EmeraldRoulette · 14/03/2026 19:45

@DameProfessorIDareSay thank you for sharing that article. It is really interesting.

I've been struggling with that sort of thing this week because it all feels so hopeless. I'm glad that people are actually starting to address it. But I genuinely worry that we've gone beyond the point of it being sorted out. Bluntly speaking, we have so many people now who are trapped in this mentality, I don't know how we're going to get out of it.

I think this problem has been getting worse and worse and actually everybody panders to it, employers, teachers etc and then of course politicians and media try to get maximum value out of it.

I suppose one reason it's gone so far is because some of these people get angry when they are faced with logic - and then no one knows what to do.

I really miss the world being normal!

I have tried to be online less this week and I've done quite well today with that today.

EmeraldRoulette · 14/03/2026 20:36

Actually, that article is good confirmation I suppose... but I hoped that I was wrong in thinking that the world is effectively driving itself mad now and there's no way out of it.

Do we need to start a commune or something?! What a shame we can't buy a stately home and live there with our sane friends - assuming we have some!

DameProfessorIDareSay · 14/03/2026 22:29

A little light bedtime reading…

“At first they did not notice. After a little while — weeks, months — it struck them. Some ignored it. For others it became oppressive. Those who were honest with themselves admitted they had not known what to expect from Downing Street, or power itself. But it was not this: unnatural, overwhelming silence.”

https://www.thetimes.com/article/2cb4be61-55bb-44af-9716-3bede7ebd838?shareToken=40a2216b9f5dd974d931e58e551df9a2

‘Keir Starmer has no views’: the inside story of an absent PM

Silent in meetings, dithering over decisions — revelations from a book on the Labour government show how the prime minister let others steer his No 10 into disaster

https://www.thetimes.com/article/2cb4be61-55bb-44af-9716-3bede7ebd838?shareToken=40a2216b9f5dd974d931e58e551df9a2

CandidLurker · 14/03/2026 23:04

Wow. That article is going to keep me awake. He sounds frighteningly useless.

JaneV1984Madness · 15/03/2026 07:17

More doom. Ed millbands wind farms interfere with the radar we need to keep up with protections against new threats eg we need an iron dome 10 billion.
They have given one .
The dome can't be used due to wind farms !

justasking111 · 15/03/2026 09:27

CandidLurker · 14/03/2026 23:04

Wow. That article is going to keep me awake. He sounds frighteningly useless.

The article didn't surprise me at all. He's a ditherer

Pacificsunshine · 15/03/2026 09:58

Reeves sounds awful in that article. Dressing down colleagues, storming out! I felt sorry for her crying in the commons, not so much now.

I bet all her colleagues brief against her.

NoWordForFluffy · 15/03/2026 10:02

It all builds a picture of Labour simply being totally unsuited for government. Obviously, those of us who didn't vote for them were of that opinion already, but it's now trickling down to the rest of the electorate as well.

What an utter mess they've landed us in.

EasternStandard · 15/03/2026 10:06

NoWordForFluffy · 15/03/2026 10:02

It all builds a picture of Labour simply being totally unsuited for government. Obviously, those of us who didn't vote for them were of that opinion already, but it's now trickling down to the rest of the electorate as well.

What an utter mess they've landed us in.

Yep it was obvious but still the usual went for it. Now it seems to be shifting to Greens. The same old stuff repackaged and ready to backfire.

CandidLurker · 15/03/2026 10:17

One wonders what Keir Starmer was like as DPP? If he acts the same as he does as Prime Minister he was probably just propped up by those around him.

EasternStandard · 15/03/2026 10:24

CandidLurker · 15/03/2026 10:17

One wonders what Keir Starmer was like as DPP? If he acts the same as he does as Prime Minister he was probably just propped up by those around him.

He’s got some of that male privilege going on, being clueless is less of a hindrance as people project qualities he doesn’t have. You can see it on here.

It’s also why he bristles so much against Kemi.

TheNuthatch · 15/03/2026 10:48

Thanks for that share @DameProfessorIDareSay.

It's like a confirmation of everything we've said on this thread. How on earth has someone as lacking as Starmer ended up as PM?

@EasternStandard Yes I've noticed the same 'repackaging'. Same names, same bs. Now for the Greens. 🙄

EasternStandard · 15/03/2026 11:08

TheNuthatch · 15/03/2026 10:48

Thanks for that share @DameProfessorIDareSay.

It's like a confirmation of everything we've said on this thread. How on earth has someone as lacking as Starmer ended up as PM?

@EasternStandard Yes I've noticed the same 'repackaging'. Same names, same bs. Now for the Greens. 🙄

Yep. What was so badly wanted - Labour is failing so do more of it with the Greens. We’ll be worse off.

DancingFerret · 15/03/2026 13:26

That was a depressing read, but it sets out very clearly the reason for the UK's political turmoil - a bunch spiteful and incompetent ministers being "led" by intellectually incurious and vain dreamer.