Labour isn't Working - Thread 28

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Continued carry on with discussion.

@TheNuthatch do you think that's what she's trying to do?

I don't pretend to know what any of them are trying to do. I'm just asking because I can't figure out how this will help. Or how they think it will help.

Yeah her speeches seem to suggest that.

She keeps saying that she must get tough on immigration, otherwise Reform will be ushered in and be much worse. She has announced some pretty hard line stuff since she became home sec, which would appeal to Reform voters, but then she tacks on this £10K promise which undermines everything else.

i know, some good reforms (if they’re actually implemented) and then she comes up with the 10-40K bribe which has incensed just about everybody. Even more bizarrely, the families involved have 7 days to accept the offer and if they don’t they’ll be deported. Why just not deport them in the first place?

Yes coming off again now before I read any more comments about “frothing”.

I only see froth coming from the left atm 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, so she's enraged the left and the right simultaneously. Genius 😂

😂

Wonder what the Labour backbenchers will make of the bribe - rebel against or support? Tricky.

Yep.

I think it's to avoid going through the long and protracted court cases

In themselves, waiting for that to happen will keep someone in the country for another couple of years

That's why I'm concerned that people will end up staying and then be offered the money at any stage in the game in order to avoid the final court case.

The whole system of how we deal with this is just mad. I was puzzled when previous government went on about people overstaying on student visas. I don't understand why there isn't some kind of automatic flagging system. And that should be the responsibility of the government, not the universities. Or employers in the case of workplace visas.

@TheNuthatch thank you for filling me in.

No frothing here unless someone's making a coffee.

I may be being naive, bit I think she's genuinely trying to solve the problem because she recognises that the UK public are out of patience on this.

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d5b8caf844d1555c

Haha macchiato pls (decaf it’s late)

I hear you, but if thats her objective, why also table the £10K per migrant thing? That will encourage more to come, and will be a gift for Reform.
Perhaps I'm searching for logic where there is none, this is Labour after all.

Cappuccino please Emerald, with extra froth 😁☕️

Love extra froth. They could just cut out the milk part and do coffee and froth afaic 😄

I think she's just mistaken on that measure.

Frothy coffee all round!

@TheNuthatch I keep making the mistake of looking for logic in their measures.

I think Denmark are offering money, but not that much. They also have a more comprehensive approach to dealing with it.

I don’t think the £10k is that bad. I understand the concern about a pull factor, but it gets people out quickly and saves immediate money. And presumably you take biometric data on every one you pay off and send home. So there is no second bite of the cherry.

I’d be interested to know exactly what Denmark did, and what their stats are.

I think people just feel it’s grossly unfair. These people shouldn’t even be here so why are we offering them thousands to leave? Just another example of our profligate government at work.

Given the one in/out debacle, I don’t share your optimism. The people smugglers are evidently a number of steps ahead of our hapless government.

Moreover, we have legions of human rights lawyers ready to cry foul.

This is another ill-conceived plan which, at best, will have zero impact on the bottom line. Worse case, they have simply made the UK even more attractive.

This lot are simply throwing shit at a wall.

Is the one in one out pretty much over? It seems to have been forgotten by Labour and everyone

Precisely!
i have zero interest in watching BBC propaganda or dancing shows with the clearly demented Angela Rippon.
I’ll happily pay for Prime and YouTube etc,

My TV licence was due in January. I've ignored reminders. Had a threatening letter last week.

Should I pay. I buy Disney, paramount, prime, Netflix and sky by choice. I don't choose the BBC.

Of course they want a general tax 🙄 people are opting out.

@justasking111 do you watch any live TV?

I don't, so I was able to fill in the declaration that says no license needed.

I ended up having to write them a letter of complaint about the number of threatening letters they sent after I had done that! They simply said "we like to remind people because something might have changed and you might be watching live TV now". Utterly ridiculous.

@Pacificsunshine the £10,000 - I'm surprised you don't see the issue. Some of these people would be absolutely made if they could take £10,000 home. And it's £10,000 English money, per person I think. So up to £40,000 for a family of four.

Particularly problematic because there was also introduction of allowing family members if you were in on a student Visa which is completely mad. So now all they've got to do - if this gets through - is stay here, wait for the money to be offered and then go! Instead of just being deported like they should be.

It's a product of the insane legal system, which will find any excuse for them to stay. If you look over some of the cases we've had, it's truly extraordinary. We hardly deport anyone at the moment.

just to give one example, that £10,000 would pay several years of rent if you were going to Afghanistan.

so it's effectively creating an incentive for people to come over here using any means they can find. I'm actually flabbergasted that you can't see it. No offence. No frothing. Just really really surprised.

If you look at what Denmark has done over the last few years to deter illegals, it's a lot. And it seems to have worked. If the official figures are correct, they are looking at about 3000 illegals coming in by boat per year. This is a good reduction on what they had before.

As long as you only watch TV on catch up, not as it's aired (live doesn't mean happening as it's shown, like sport, it means watching at the time it's scheduled on terrestrial television), then cancel it.

We cancelled last year and deleted the iPlayer app from the TV, and only watch everything else on catch up. It works for us!