Girls at DD’s school cannot wear socks because men and boys feel uncomfortable

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DD’s school has placed a ban on girls wearing socks due to persistent issues with girls wearing skirts that are too short and not the school’s regulation kilts. According to the e-mail sent to parents, girls wearing socks with said short skirts has resulted in some “members of the school community” feeling uncomfortable. When the issue was raised further by some parents, the (male) Deputy made it clear that it was essentially unfair to male pupils, and presumably teachers, to be made to feel awkward when girls undergarments were visible to them. There have also been issues with boys making suggestive comments to girls in short skirts.

I support the school enforcing school uniform policy but hate the fact that 12 year old DD and her friends are already being policed as to what they can or cannot wear because…men. DD hates the thick black tights she now has to wear. She always wore the correct length skirt and knee high socks.

The situation will apparently be reviewed ahead of the warmer months. I just feel this reinforces the view that girls & women need to ensure they dress in a way that doesn’t attract male attention but boys are not learning that inappropriate comments and behaviour towards a girl because of the way she dresses is completely unacceptable.

That's why they banned skirts at my daughters school. Its now trousers only all year round as there were too many issues for the teachers to deal with.

why don’t the girls wear a skort instead, can’t roll them up

If people stuck to the rules regarding skirt length there would be no need for this. I think fair enough the school has made these rules. Some of the skirts on schoolgirls these days!! Well what more can be said.

I am absolutely all for school uniform and enforcing it. But I dont like the bullshit reasoning he HT has given, he has dug himself a hole here.

Why didnt he just enforce the school policy to have skirts below a certain length, most schools have this, 100% on board. But I dont like this Heads rational. Why didnt he just say the girls need to wear the uniform correctly.

Sounds like they need to address the root cause; skirt length. The sock ban is ridiculous.

Wearing skirts so short that underwear is visible is not acceptable. Unfortunately it’s been an issue for decades. I remember girls rolling up skirts so short you could see their arse when I was at school many moons
ago.

Are they being treated as meat by everyone? (I’m a sixty something woman). I don’t think anyone, boy, girl, teacher, janitor, should be going to school with their butt cheeks on show. Do you give ‘a fuck’ about showing your arse at work?

Skort or biker shorts under skirt

I was at the dentist yesterday in the very small busy waiting room. A teenage girl came in and stood at the desk. From my seated position I could see the bottom half of her bum! At such close quarters there wasn't really anywhere else I could look, it made me feel so uncomfortable.

I feel sorry for teachers who have to spend their day challenging girls on their skirt length.

True. I guess kids nowadays are just not very modest. Having your butt on show would have been a mortifying faux pas at my school.

I think this is so wrong.

You cannot expect the other students and teachers to be happy to be looking at the girls arse cheeks as they walk around the school. Especially if they are going up the stairs in front of you.

(I would also not be happy looking at boys arses either for the record).

Asking the girls to dress in accordance to their environment is perfectly sensible - and I would argue in accordance with safeguarding.

I do not want my yr 7 son following yr 11 girls up the stairs to their next lesson, and getting a full up close view of their bums. It would not be acceptable in any other scenario!

The short skirts (belts almost) are concerning to everyone to be honest. They leave home with fine length skirts then roll them up as they approach the school so parents are also not aware obviously. It is also very unfair to have teachers spend an entire day policing skirt lengths instead of teaching. I can see whey a blanket ban is their only choice.

While this is true that people used to do this (and I was in the first wave of mini skirts 😬) it was fashion and nothing like you see now. We have an unfortunate culture now where some young girls are influenced by the Love Island type 15 mins of fame and to dress like this is the norm to some. The Only Fans culture encourages this style of behaviour but yet others complain people are looking and shouldn't - madness!

Oooh I'm on the fence on this one. Girls shouldn't have to cover up to protect the mens from gazing upon their skin.

But girls also shouldn't be rolling their skirts up so far that men can see their underpants in a professional context - and school is a professional context. And if they insist on doing it, well fair play to the school for tackling it another way. I wouldn't want to walk upstairs and see either a girl's arse cheeks, or a boy's. It's not a men need to get over themselves issue. It's basic decency in an environment like a school.

I'd be supporting the school on this one. Sucks that your daughter is caught up in it though if she doesn't roll her skirt up when she leaves your sight, and has to wear the tights...

Outrageous. I would contact some journalists and boycott the school. That’s AWFUL.

Just make everone wear trousers, very simple.

I understand about the socks, because when pulled over the knee, coupled with a short skirt, it looks like stockings.

So do you believe that the existence of something horrific automatically means that we don't seek to discourage much less desirable - but still undesirable - things? Do we give a free pass to anybody who 'only' punches somebody in the face in the street, because some people commit murder?

Can we not tackle both undesirable things?

Thank you! Muscle-top, nipple-boy was like something out of some sort of porn film/mag. NO ONE wants to see that when they're teaching algebra. It isn't just girls. Although at this precise moment in time it seems to be mainly girls. 100% agree the saggy arse trouser / designer boxer years were totally cringe and inappropriate. Thank god they're over (I think? I'm not up on trending teenage boy fashion).

Totally agree.
I followed two girls this morning with skirts so short they didn’t even cover their buttocks, one was wearing a thong.
i do question why anyone would want to go anywhere half dressed, male or female.

I love a short skirt and am very much for women wearing whatever makes them feel good.

However, I have lived close to 2 secondary schools for 20 years and have been quite shocked at how some of the female pupils style their uniform. Some of the girls my son was friends with at school wore their school skirts incredibly short and with thigh high socks.

My son said at the time that the girls can wear their uniform however they please because the teachers are too afraid to tell them off for fear of getting into trouble for even noticing it.

If the boys wore shorts so short you could see their arse cheeks hanging out these would be banned to.

I stopped at a zebra crossing recently and two girls walked by - you could literally see their arses. They weren't even wearing underwear with any coverage. Sometimes I wonder why any men bother grooming girls online. Just pull up a crossing and you see the full show anyway.

It isn't a human right to show off your arse cheeks in public.

Do the girls who have very short skirts receive any penalties. We used to have order marks for stuff like this. Three order marks and you got a detention. Very draconian I know

I witnessed some of the erm belts that girls are wearing in our town yesterday. None of them were wearing tights and all you could see was pasty looking legs. It was not an attractive sight

I digress to say that on the subject of conforming to dress codes, I worked briefly at a private senior school. The 6th form boys were immaculate in their suits. The 6th form girls were not in what I would describe as office wear which was the criteria they were given. Nothing outrageous and hoping to attract male attention, just too casual and not very smart

I think you’ve stretched this a bit. I’m a middle aged woman, I don’t want to see the knickers (or, bum cheeks for that matter) of anyone let alone young girls. Yes it makes me feel uncomfortable and sometimes it makes me cringe. It isn’t acceptable. We don’t go to work with our arses hanging out. Why should teenage girls go to school that way?

It seems the DH’s use of the term uncomfortable has been interpreted to mean arousing/distracting. I’m sure there are men and boys who would enjoy looking at these girls but there are a lot of others who just don’t want to see other people’s underwear and find it uncomfortable to be faced with a teenager’s barely covered arse. and the school absolutely have a responsibility to address this.

The they simply need to be told to roll them down again!

Maybe I'm not looking hard enough or maybe I have a different definition of arse cheek, but I see plenty of young girls with short skirts walking around yet have never seen an 'arse cheek hanging out'. Could there be a bit of exaggeration going on here?

I think people should be entitled.
Men, boys, women and other girls. All people should be able to ask a school to police it's own school uniform policy.

People should be entitled to NOT see underwear of others parading in front of them in streets, playgrounds and in classrooms..

Trousers kept aside for offenders to wear and photographs taken and sent home to their parents with a note that insists the student will not be allowed entrance to the school if the behaviour continues.
How terrible for the staff and for the general population of schools to have to deal with such annoying trivia.