Girls at DD’s school cannot wear socks because men and boys feel uncomfortable

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DD’s school has placed a ban on girls wearing socks due to persistent issues with girls wearing skirts that are too short and not the school’s regulation kilts. According to the e-mail sent to parents, girls wearing socks with said short skirts has resulted in some “members of the school community” feeling uncomfortable. When the issue was raised further by some parents, the (male) Deputy made it clear that it was essentially unfair to male pupils, and presumably teachers, to be made to feel awkward when girls undergarments were visible to them. There have also been issues with boys making suggestive comments to girls in short skirts.

I support the school enforcing school uniform policy but hate the fact that 12 year old DD and her friends are already being policed as to what they can or cannot wear because…men. DD hates the thick black tights she now has to wear. She always wore the correct length skirt and knee high socks.

The situation will apparently be reviewed ahead of the warmer months. I just feel this reinforces the view that girls & women need to ensure they dress in a way that doesn’t attract male attention but boys are not learning that inappropriate comments and behaviour towards a girl because of the way she dresses is completely unacceptable.

No just hate them.

You need to delete your thread. The way you have demeaned people who disagree with you and the way you’ve used the death of a child to push your tiny tiny little case. delete this thread. it’s sick.

If I was the head I would make all students wear trousers. Full stop.

I would have hated to be forced to wear trousers at school. I look awful in them, and it would have been yet another stick with which my bullies could have beaten me. But I can see why people are saying trousers only, at school.

10 - 12 girls is a lot!! When you have to factor in all the admin and dealing with parents that comes with that equates to probably weeks of work - this isn’t an exaggeration.

and thanks for looking out for my mental health. I actually do love my job especially now I work at a school where the head has cracked down on behaviour like uniform policies and is completely no nonsense. What makes everyone’s life hell in school is the parents. And I’m not talking about you - I am talking about the parents of those girls. The school I work at the girls now wear trousers as it was honestly a nightmare suspending girls showing their bums and then having to deal with the inevitable fall out from the parents including verbal abuse and physical intimidation . Our head now has a zero tolerance policy for behaviour for pupils and parents and police are immediately called. So yes, mental health can be affected. But the answer is not for you to snarkily suggest I get another job because every member of staff in every school in the country is in the same boat and there is going to be no one left if parents don’t start parenting. That means teaching you children sometimes life isn’t fair. There are children trying to learn in war torn countries - I think your daughter will get over having to wear tights.

I do however agree the messaging was wrong. It should have been just simply stated that as the rules were consistently broken it is resulted in a need to change the uniform.

Ignoring the rules and doing what they want doesnt bode well for the future of schoolkids. Do they think that they should be able to dress ridiculously revealing outfits in a work place situation?.it makes me wonder if this is one of the reasons why young people cant seem to get jobs. They have been led to believe that whatever they do/dont do is ok because nobody has told them it isnt ok.
Im over 60 now but as a youngster back in the 70s/80s a female who dressed with their arse hanging out would be considered "up for it" "fair game" "a slag" etc....

Trousers are perfectly normal. Both boys and girls wear them

You can the live they put men and boys comfort above girls… what? The Seneca isn’t finished. Above their right to wear a micro-skirt?

I’m a young woman and I don’t want to see teen girls bums on display either. Funny, another poster mentioned a gust of window flashing a girls bum cheeks, I’ve also had the same at a bus stop. It’s ridiculous.

We all rolled skirts above the knee, but thats not really the issue. Some skirts are seriously pushing it, it’s just not appropriate. Wear whatever you like on the weekend, not at school. The whole point of a uniform is that outfits are prescribed.

I think the problem is that it isn't a small number of repeat offenders. The problem is likely to be bigger and across multiple year groups so the only way the school can manage it is to enforce a skirt ban.
I recall working in a school where they were not supposed to wear Nike socks over their tights. The school eventually allowed it (but socks under tights I think it might have been) as they just couldn't stop the numbers of girls doing this.

Driving home from work I see multiple girls with their bums out, so if they are walking round school like this then I think there must be quite a few doing it. I always wonder whether they know they are showing their bums or as someone else said, as the skirt looks longer at the front they really don't realise it's all on display.

How many are wearing really short skirts , compared to the ones in trousers or a decent length skirt?

No idea but just from my drive home passing many children walking home from secondary I see far more than I want to! I guess some could argue that they have rolled their skirts back up on leaving school, but if they are walking round school like that then I wouldn't necessarily see them as a minority.
If they are also the ones who are disobedient enough to not sort the skirt out then it's probably easier as a school to insist on trousers or tights with skirts as that's easier to enforce.

Trousers are fine for boys though? So your argument makes no sense that trousers aren't OK for girls. Trousers are the same temperature on boys as on girls.

Our local secondary has just bought in a pleated skirts only rule because they look fucking ridiculous rolled up

If only that stopped them!😬

That certainly hasn’t stopped a number of girls at a local school.
I followed three of them through the town centre on Thursday and I thought one didn’t even have a skirt on, there was about 3” showing beneath her school blazer.

Why should they have to wear skirts anyway. A choice of skirt or trousers should be in every school for females. And if the small few who roll it up too short continuously then they’ll be told they’re not allowed wear skirts.

Well speaking for myself, I wear them because I like them and they work well with certain tops.

Do you think all women wear them because they want to arouse men or other women?

If a married woman goes out on a date night with her husband or wife and wears one, why do think she is wearing it?

Nope. Sick is the claim that all young girls, some of whom are literal children, choose to dress in a certain way in order to arouse men. Absolutely jaw dropping that a thread about a schools uniform policy descended into these kinds of hideous claims.

Maybe women who have been sexually assaulted might feel demeaned by the suggestion by some on here that their style of dress might have aroused their attacker.

I’ve been on MN a long time and I don’t think I’ve ever read comments as fucking disturbing as some of the ones on this thread.

Not to mention the poster who thinks women at work who dress inappropriately are slags.

Please, go ahead and report me and this thread to MNHQ since you think my comments are so awful. It might be a blessing if the thread is deleted so no one else has to read some of the disgusting comments about girls on here.

Just driving along is embarrassing enough. So many girls with their arses literally hanging out. I want to wrap them in a blanket .

We're not talking about the Nike shorts that they all wear in town though.

I don't have an issue with making school uniform trousers or shorts - it gets round the whole transgender thing too. Unisex uniform is good.

But telling girls they have to wear tights at the height of summer because boys and men can't look elsewhere. This is the UK, not Saudi.

I wonder how much time is wasted in schools by policing uniforms.

I find people tend to dress perfectly respectably for work.

And the worst-dressed people I've seen recently were a bunch of 45/50 something women letting it all hang out in a city centre on a Saturday night. Not youngsters.

The uniforms should just be trousers for everyone TBH. Would get rid of this nonsense.

I think girls can wear trousers in most schools. I wasn't allowed, so I can't understand why dd, and the girls where I teach, don't wear them.

Except I can. Dd won't wear them because they're 'ugly' and because of the unofficial decree that you just don't wear them. I imagine that's the same in my school. Like a pp said, I rarely see girls in skirts outside school. Dd prefers athleisure.

So why do so many girls choose to wear something that's uncomfortable, takes a lot of thought (ds throws his clothes on and doesn't give it a second thought) and often causes conflict? Dd hates, hates being in trouble. But she'll risk it to wear her skirt short.

At 14, when I had a short skirt (skater, flippy, mid 90s. Then belt), I wasn't trying to attract older men or arouse my classmates, but I knew that wearing a longer skirt= frigid or worse, lesbian. And I wanted so badly not to stand out.

By 15/16 I considered myself a feminist and should be judged on my brain etc. But I loved, loved, loved being looked at as a sexual being. But that's because you're fed the message your whole life that being wanted= success. Some of those girls wearing tiny skirts won't even be able to articulate why they feel that they need to wear them. They may not even associate it with sexuality; they just know that it's what you do to fit in.

Which is where evil teachers come in and make them sort out. I think I'm at a point now where it's more unusual to see a regulation length skirt than not. I'd like my school to be more strict, but it feels like they've lost.

In this context, a teacher having to call a parent because Amelia wore the wrong skirt to school..doesn’t quite scream overwhelm to me.

Just unnecessarily rude.

Shows your true opinion of teachers and why so many are leaving because we have to put up with parents like you.

But expect your short skirts aren’t the length that people are finding issue with here!

I know that when I was at school and rolled my skirt up - not to the extent of these days, granted - and during my late teens and early 20s clubbing, I wore short skirts and knee high boots because I wanted to be noticed.

Do girls these days do it because they want to be noticed by men or just ‘noticed’ in general? Most teens are on social media of some sort or another and that is rife with sexualised content whether you want it or not, so maybe they are just copying without being fully aware of what there are doing?

These days at close to 50, when I’m in the gym I’m doing my best NOT to be noticed by wearing longer T-shirts over my leggings and sports bra. Yes when I go out with my husband I dress up to look good, but do I dress to be noticed? Not now, no.

Anyway I think we have done this to death. You feel that girls have every right to flash their backside in their school uniform (whilst not doing it to be noticed by anyone) and the rest of the world should look away and allow them to do so, not comment and definitely not think it’s about wanting attention. I feel that if you don’t want to be noticed then you don’t walk around with your knickers on show, so let’s agree to differ and crack on with our lives.