Gordon Brown and AMW

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Presumably the information GB is now presenting on AMW is stuff he had access to while he was in Governement? If so, why is he only speaking out now? Or did he try earlier and the establishment was such that even the PM couldn't be heard?

I like GB, always did, I'm curious about what it was that means he's only speaking out now.

Also, GBs bleating about justice for women is a bit rich given he was PM when the grooming gangs were being swept under the carpet, at his request

"in 2008 the Home office sent a circular to all police forces in the country saying ‘as far as these young girls who are being exploited in towns and cities, we believe they have made an informed choice about their sexual behaviour and therefore it is not for you police officers to get involved in"

Your post could appear misleading. That quote isn't in the Monbiot article. Where is it from? Anyway:

How Elon Musk seized on baseless memo claim to create wave of misinformation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2g7qgl1eo

Eta: I haven't reported your post, but MN have deleted such posts in the past for libel. One poster (not me!) emailed GB's office about such libellous claims being made on MN. MNHQ swiftly deleted.

I've always liked Gordon Brown. Out of all the prime ministers I can remember in my lifetime he seemed to have the most integrity and genuine compassion. Certainly been downhill since.

Gordon Brown was PM when he brought Mandelson back into his cabinet as business secretary.

So he’s either feeling guilty and trying to distract attention from what he knew back then.

Or he’s feeling betrayed and angry that he enabled Mandelson at the time.

The quote isn't even written in grammatically correct English so I really doubt it is something the "Home Office" sent out...

My experience of the last time the alleged elite child abuse rings were in the public eye was that several politicians/ ex politicians were constantly seen to be ‘doing the right thing ‘ .
Anyone remember David Cameron saying ‘no stone would be left unturned?’ before setting up the Westminster Enquiry into Elite Paedophile rings ‘
Not long after that there was a whipped vote in the HOC at 10.30pm to allow people bound by the official secrets act to to give evidence ONLY about such child abuse , in private , to that government enquiy . Nearly every MP of every party turned up to vote to prevent such evidence being allowed . .
Wasn’t reported in the mainstream press .at the time .
Was reported by the reputable ex mainstream journalists of Exaro . Exaro itself was forced to close a few months later . Their online website was removed .
Details of the vote are in Hansard though if anyone wishes to check .
As for the Enquiry itself … Anyone remember Keith Vaz ?

From everything I’ve read, Andy was protected at all levels. Now Mummy is gone, his brother doesn’t give a flying monkeys and has left him to hang. GB likely would’ve tried at the time based on how quick he was to come forward with everything now.

Interesting that Mandelson has now been arrested, as per the Telegraph and the FT.

BBC breaking news - Mandleson arrested.

But it should always be Westminster v the House of Windsor. Thats what our system is meant to be. The job of Westminster is to make sure the unelected Monarchy doesn't go beyond their powers. Instead they basically bent over and allowed this to happen, because they didn't want to upset The Queen. They were cowardly and self interested ( in their gongs) They are now all implicated because they either stood by and did nothing while police officers and civil servants were threatened with their jobs or actively hid things away to protect the Monarchy. Instead of putting a stop to it they covered it all up. Its only coming out now because a foreign court has ordered the Epstein files to be released. Those same files (and more) have been sealed for 100 years by our government. It seems as we can see now, to cover up some pretty serious wrongdoing by AMW while he was a Trade envoy.

Side note. I always liked Gordon Brown since his labour days. But I swear everyone else liking him is a recent thing? I thought everyone else used to laugh at him.

Plenty of people liked and like him- I did and do! But you forget how much power the mainstream media had then. They hated him and it was such a blizzard of discrediting that nobody else really got a word in.

He has to keep his new boss / paymaster happy - the unhinged, ranting orange one.

I like him too, and definitely in preference to Starmer. He’s also extremely clever. That isn’t an insult.

It's possible he tried to oppose Windsor's appointment as trade envoy and other things at the time, but was shot down. The royal family have more power than you think, and civil servants along with the "firm" behind the royals like things to stay as they always have been.
The fact that he's been so earnest as soon as the mandelson accusations came out make me think he wanted to draw some lines at the time but wasn't allowed.
He did also have a world wide financial crisis t and mad cow disease to navigate in his short time as PM

This is what I heard. He was against AMW's being appointed as Trade envoy ( as was Charles) but Mandleson pushed for it and Blair wanted to butter up The Queen. Cameron then when he was PM supported him remaining as Trade envoy.

I think so. If he didn’t want AMW he appointed Mandelson, and they have now both been arrested.

Gordon Brown brought Mandelson back into his cabinet in 2008 as Business and trade secretary.

That’s the same year Epstein went to prison the first time for soliciting children for prostitution.

He’s clearly known a lot more about all of this for decades - he’s only speaking out now about it because it’s become public.

The global financial crisis was a disaster for the UK economy and has been ever since.

But what was the alternative to the bailout? Let the banks collapse? The collapse of every system that enabled the payment of salaries, card payments, BACS, share trading? That was a real possibility and the ensuing chaos would have been catastrophic. Businesses would have toppled overnight. It would have been like a complete Covid lockdown but with no ability to work, buy anything or get paid.

I don’t envy Gordon Brown having to make that decision.

It may be that he has only just joined all the random widely-spread dots and can recognise their significance.

I think the Labour party seem to think Mandleson is some kind of talisman for them. Whenever they are desperate they bring him back, and it always goes wrong.

He also understood that people with no kids who were in low paid jobs needed their wages topped up as well.

He was an key architect of New Labour’s success.

And then mentoring some in this gov, McSweeney etc who got Starmer in.

I know. But they seem to think he can redo that trick over and over again, despite his well known and often exposed flaws.

True, I guess they relied on what worked to get into power no matter what. It was worth it for them, but it will come back to bite.

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Mea culpa, I assumed that because Nazir Afzal had made this claim it was true. In his own words, he misinterpreted the guidance. He's usually a trusted source. I had no idea that EM had used it to further his own poisonous agenda.