Something woo happened tonight.

[MissyPants]

As the title suggests, and I'm not sure what to think of it, so opinions welcome.
Tonight whilst my daughter (3) was in the living room, she came running up to me in the kitchen and asked me what that noise was in her ear as it wasn't daddy. I asked her what she meant, and she said something said (made said sound) in her ear, and what was it as it wasn't daddy. I thought it was a toy on the sofa so I turned it off. A few minutes later she came running back up to me in the kitchen again and said it happened again, who was it because it isn't daddy (he was upstairs asleep). So, I just turned the tv off and we went to bed.

Now, when I have been in the house alone sometimes I hear sounds or spoken words, but mistook this for being tired, as I'm often up late doing my uni work. I also sometimes feel cold brushes of air, or really loud bangs upstairs, like something has fallen off a wall or something, each time I've gone upstairs to check and nothing is out of place or has fallen. I'm only questioning all of this now because of what my 3 year old told me tonight. I do believe she wouldn't make this up, she was genuinely frightened as to who made the spoken sound in her ear. She was adamant something said something in her ear.

We live in a new build, first occupants, so not haunted. Also no one has died recently.
What do you think?

You need an old priest and a a young priest…

Smudging is not "New Age" - it's a ritual practiced by North American indigenous people for thousands of years. I can't see how "Jesus" would be any more effective in the OP's situation than smudging.

I get it, you do not believe. Good for you.

But stop pouring shade over people who DO, and saying 'it's probably carbon monoxide' or 'the house settling...' People who 'believe' are not hurting you, and your patronising comments are not going to change peoples minds. 🙄

Why must non believers ALWAYS come onto threads like this, telling the believers that we are WRONG, and there is no actual proper proof anything exists lalalalalala. 🙄

There is no proof these things DON'T exist.

I'll just leave that there for you ....

I won't be discussing it anymore with you though............

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My DH and DS have both seen and heard things. DH when working late and our DS, aged 9, used to get freaked out in his bedroom and say people were calling his name. There is a history of schizophrenia in my DH's family and it has lead to relatives doing some drastic things, like setting fire to themselves etc, at the time they believe that they experience is real so you cannot dismiss it but understanding helps.

We took our child to the doctor, he is a very articulate child and spoke to her about it. We also spoke to her about the family connection with schizophrenia and DH hearing voices. It seemed unlikely either has schizophrenia. Also in children onset is usually puberty or later.

But it turned out DS was very stressed at school and was being bullied, he also developed a stammer round that time, he moved schools the problem went away.

We have discussed with both our children about the risks of schizophrenia in case they develop symptoms later on, they can seek appropriate help.

There can be other explanations and the paranormal is often used to explain things we cannot understand.

It's staggering what the human mind can do.i was nursing over 40 years,met people with various mental health issues, schizophrenia, they hear voices, dementia. Add some powerful drugs into the mix, I brought a nun back from the OR once, orthopedic operation, she was trying to get off the trolley and screaming she was having a baby! I had a morphine IV, after major abdominal surgery, I could see polar bears coming for me! During night shifts where I hadn't managed to sleep in the day,you see all sorts of hallucinations,in lamps, curtains.
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This is a thread from a mother with a young child who has heard something that is difficult to explain.

The suggestions of CO monitoring, movement of a new build house and other practical suggestions are totally valid, well-meaning and potentially very helpful. They were a response to the OP, not an attack on you!

These comments are intended to help, not to "pour shade" on the credulous. If your beliefs are strong and well founded you'd not feel undermined by alternative, practical suggestions; if you genuinely wanted to help the OP you'd not mind others suggesting solutions that differ from your own.
The more possibilities she considers, the more likely she'll find an explanation for her child's experience.

You can’t prove a negative.

I grew up in a very old house that definitely had an unpleasant energy to it. Doors would randomly lock, things would suddenly appear somewhere at random (when you knew they hadn't been there before) and I was often aware of two 'things' - that I felt were a girl and man. The man was not a good feeling at all. The house has subsequently sold several times, with owners feeling similarly unsettled.

My mum visited the current owners a couple of years ago, and they asked if we'd ever experienced anything, and went on to describe the man and the girl I was aware of. I've lived in many houses since, and have never felt the same atmosphere, so I'm convinced it wasn't in my imagination.

Our current family home has a lovely feel to it, not at all spooky, but both me and DH have heard our names or other words being spoken when we're alone in the house. DH is extremely sceptical about anything woo, but he is very certain of what he heard.

I'm a scientist, and I know talk of ghosts and whatnot seems to make no logical sense, but I can't dismiss the things I actually felt and experienced.

Also, new build house owner, the bangs from settling can be bloody loud to be fair and, 5 years in, they still happen now and again. But, to be fair they are quite obvious when they are settlement ones, sounds like a cracking alongside the bang usually. As we have high ceilings and heat rises gathering at ceiling level so the joists between the downstairs ceiling and upstairs floor it can cause them to expand/contract in sequence, that can sometimes sound like someone is walking around upstairs when it’s just movement.

Only odd thing we do have happen is our smart TV sometimes Google activates with a mind of its own, but l just think that’s because the house opposite has a similar TV maybe and ours sometimes picks up some sort of reflection of them pressing their remote to use their Google voice search as their sitting room window diagonally faces ours across the little private roadway.

Never heard voices in ours though and the only cold areas of air have been when the cleaner leaves the windows ajar after she’s been and we don’t immediately realise.

OP you sound like someone who is very reasoned and level headed. I hope your poor daughter wasn’t too spooked, bless her, and a reasonable explanation presents itself at some point. Good luck piecing together the jigsaw.

This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is.
You've actually answered your own point; smudging is a sacred practice that should only be performed correctly - that is, by those who hold ancestral ties to the practice.
Any other modern person practising it IS New Age. It's a bastardisation.
You've informed me and everyone else that you're vastly uneducated on this entire topic so I'll wish you a good day.

Spot on. I honestly believe it's both a fear response and their own version of searching for a higher power.
They can't seem to ever give it a rest (skepticism that is). Void filling, I swear!

Of course you won't discuss it any further. If it were just a matter of belief, we could have a lovely and thorough debate and agree to disagree. And I wasn't being patronising, I was having a conversation but you became defensive (and put words in my mouth).

Having beliefs is usually harmless. In fact I may even have encouraged a festive belief in my DC for the sheer joy it brings. However, this thread isn't just different beliefs. There are people on here intoning about the desperate need to pray, to not ask questions, about the possible malign intentions and devils. This isn't just people supporting a harmless belief. And believe me, when you've seen the person you love most heading for a psychotic break and his well-meaning friend who believes in devils and spirits is convincing him to pray and smudge and buy a little statue, you also get to see that person in terrible rl danger because the credulous are encouraging him. My rationality is open and curious and evidence-based. Shutting down rationality and insisting you are right with zero evidence is not the triumph for open-mindedness that you claim.

Please don't call me love.

This is a public conversation and I am free to contribute with my own experience of the damage well meaning people can do.

Imagine, just imagine that the OP's new house is settling as all new houses do and her child has an ear infection or there's a speaker or toy playing somewhere. Demanding that the op ignore these rational explanations with demands that it's "DEFINITELY woo" is helping who precisely?

And a woo thread hits the heights of ludicrous nonsense yet again!

My house is spectacularly haunted. Ive witnessed a standing mirror fly off my dressing table and land 2 feet away on the floor. My husband has seen a pair of scissors fly off the counter top in the kitchen. The tv turns it's self on , completely out of sequence frequently. We hear knocking on doors and bangs. I hear people talking and calling my name. Our son used to talk about the lady in the hallway as well when he was smaller. These occurrences seem to happen in bursts. So we have large gaps in between to convince ourselves that we are imaging it all.

Can I ask why you don’t recommend crystals? We lived in an old house with vortexes and apparitions (like a hologram - replaying scenes). I placed crystals in each corner of the rooms and that helped.

I’m not opposed to your suggestions, I’d like to learn.

Hope you get it sorted OP, it sounds terrifying.

I'm not demanding anything, and I haven't seen anyone else do that either. It's very obvious that OP is rational enough to cover all possibilities. OP asked for a woo conversation in order to consider that side of things, and received one. Dark entities do exist, and there's simple solutions if that be the case. If it's wood settling or rats in the walls, so be it. People are allowed to talk about woo. Again, not everyone is mentally ill.

Yeah this! ^ As I said earlier, that article talking about woo things (and the paranormal,) had adademics, and physicists, and scientists, talking about it and saying they believe!

The arrogance and obnoxiousness of many non-believers never ceases to astound me. As if us believers are going to suddenly let go of our lifetime beliefs, many based on OUR OWN LIVED EXPERIENCES, just because THEY say it's not real. LOL, do me a favour. As I said, how arrogant!

Yes, the things some people are coming up with to try and make out people who experience woo and paranormal things are imagining it, or are ill, is outrageous isn't it?!

Please do stop putting words in my mouth.

I didn't say everybody is mentally ill.
I didn't say YOU demanded it (there are other people on the thread).

You believe dark entities exist. There has never been any proof in thousands of years and as such, you can't state that they do. You want to believe in it. Fine. However, you have to be robust enough to accept there are countless people who can challenge your beliefs and to date, your side of this belief has zero evidence. Have courage in your faith and stop deriding people who disagree, shutting them down, patronising them or telling them they aren't allowed to speak up.

Yes thank you everyone, I think it's important to take away from this that I am more real world than paranormal, but at the same time I'm not dismissive of other beliefs or of the paranormal.
I am a psychology student so I'm aware of my own confirmation bias within all of this, but not when it comes to my 3 year old. It's almost her innocence and lack of real world knowledge that can make you question what actually was it that she heard, and it is a little unsettling. I'll definitely be more attentive to what she says if this happens again.

There's loads of info and and discussion online from ex new agers, an entire movement in the past 5 years give or take. Look at the search term ex new ager on Instagram and google, podcasts etc.
Ms Angel Cards herself Doreen Virtue got her call to Jesus in 2017, she still has a YouTube channel although she's the very definition of one extreme to another.
There's A LOT of ex new agers on Instagram. millennial women and younger gen x. The wellness /yoga /vegan / new ager to meat eating Jesus follower pipeline is a major shift that many, many did naturally at the exact same time, which is very interesting by itself!

Keep is updated Op. This is a really interesting topic. People's experiences (whether really or imagined) intrigue me.

I have heard of so many testimonies. Many are of the opinion that you are either in the Kingdom of God or not. And if you're not in the kingdom of God, from where are you sourcing your power?
They (and I) believe that there is only 1 God. Anything else outside of this kingdom is spiritually dangerous. If this spiritual power was good, it would be part of God's kingdom.