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SerendipityJane · 17/02/2026 15:13

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2026 15:12

Yes, but most civilised Western nations have grown out of that phase of their development.

They don't go in all that much for the fine old tradition of burning witches, either.

The UK hasn't.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2026 15:17

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2026 15:13

The UK hasn't.

Child labour getting in the harvest during the six-week school holiday in the summer? I don't see many kids under sixteen operating combine harvesters round here.

Zonder · 17/02/2026 15:31

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2026 14:09

I don't suppose he wrote it.

I think he might have. Whoever wrote it managed to make it all about Trump and how wonderful he is.

placemats · 17/02/2026 15:43

RedTagAlan · 17/02/2026 14:02

Trumps "truth" on the passing of Jessie Jackson, clipped from Sky.

Hmmmm..

When it comes to 🍊💩always about him.

user3398721 · 17/02/2026 15:47

Eyesopenwideawake · 14/02/2026 11:53

Do listen to it, in full.

I have now listened to it and I do not share your optimistic assessment that it was a good speech. The only positive I can find is that Europe appears to not be buying it.

logicisall · 17/02/2026 15:54

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2026 15:17

Child labour getting in the harvest during the six-week school holiday in the summer? I don't see many kids under sixteen operating combine harvesters round here.

We used to have tattie picking break when my dc were at school. It's just called the October break now. H&S probably brought an end to 10 yr olds ( my dd) earning £s.

eta I stand corrected, It was new machinery.
From wiki:
The practice was phased out in the 1980s, as machinery such as the potato harvester, capable of harvesting 200 tonnes of potatoes a day, made potato picking obsolete.[5] Despite this, the holiday remains in Scotland.

AcrossthePond55 · 17/02/2026 15:59

RedTagAlan · 17/02/2026 10:45

I was intending doing a 2 week ban, but in Trumpian spirit, HE who can do no wrong. I think 2 days and a sincere apology will do.

Sorry.

Welcome back from the self inflicted 'naughty step'.

😉

user3398721 · 17/02/2026 16:01

logicisall · 17/02/2026 15:54

We used to have tattie picking break when my dc were at school. It's just called the October break now. H&S probably brought an end to 10 yr olds ( my dd) earning £s.

eta I stand corrected, It was new machinery.
From wiki:
The practice was phased out in the 1980s, as machinery such as the potato harvester, capable of harvesting 200 tonnes of potatoes a day, made potato picking obsolete.[5] Despite this, the holiday remains in Scotland.

Edited

I think Trump is planning to send them down into the coal mines

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2026 16:06

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2026 15:17

Child labour getting in the harvest during the six-week school holiday in the summer? I don't see many kids under sixteen operating combine harvesters round here.

I am afraid you missed the point.

Regardless of field labouring or not, the UKs secular calendar (like most if not all of Europe) is a fossilised example of that annual cycle.

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2026 16:15

logicisall · 17/02/2026 15:54

We used to have tattie picking break when my dc were at school. It's just called the October break now. H&S probably brought an end to 10 yr olds ( my dd) earning £s.

eta I stand corrected, It was new machinery.
From wiki:
The practice was phased out in the 1980s, as machinery such as the potato harvester, capable of harvesting 200 tonnes of potatoes a day, made potato picking obsolete.[5] Despite this, the holiday remains in Scotland.

Edited

For generations hop picking in Kent was a family tradition for Londoners.

logicisall · 17/02/2026 16:17

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2026 16:06

I am afraid you missed the point.

Regardless of field labouring or not, the UKs secular calendar (like most if not all of Europe) is a fossilised example of that annual cycle.

Your explanation answers my question as to why have an October break when summer holidays have only just ended.

RedTagAlan · 17/02/2026 16:21

With reference to my post above about state media: if anyone opened the link and read it, they will see how things are "re-defined".

This leads to this CNN story from earlier today.

Citing Orwell’s ‘1984,’ judge orders Trump administration to return slavery exhibits removed from Philadelphia museum | CNN Politics

What I like about CNN is that it often provides links, in this case to Trumps executive order from march last year:

Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History – The White House

And here, from the Whitehouse, we see the same language as we get in PRC state media. And the Judge is spot on. This is 1984. Selected quotes for brevity, not cherry picking. Honest !

"Over the past decade, Americans have witnessed a concerted and widespread effort to rewrite our Nation’s history, replacing objective facts with a distorted narrative driven by ideology rather than truth."

Cool. So you are going to revise it to be correct.

" Under this historical revision, our Nation’s unparalleled legacy of advancing liberty, individual rights, and human happiness is reconstructed as inherently racist, sexist, oppressive, or otherwise irredeemably flawed."

Well yes, in 1776 that was the case. Still is.

"-where our Nation declared that all men are created equal -"

By slave owners. People that really actually did own other people, and raped them.

"This shift has promoted narratives that portray American and Western values as inherently harmful and oppressive."

Well, they were. Just ask the native Americans, the slaves, the women.. the Irish... and just about anyone who was not a land owning white man. Land they stole.

"Museums in our Nation’s capital should be places where individuals go to learn — not to be subjected to ideological indoctrination or divisive narratives that distort our shared history."

That's one for the late Mr Jackson to comment on.

" Museums in our Nation’s capital should be places where individuals go to learn — not to be subjected to ideological indoctrination or divisive narratives that distort our shared history."

I agree Mr President. SO LEAVE THE MUSEUMS TO TELL THE TRUTH.

I did not mention the trans stuff in that EO, out of my lane (so I did cherry pick a bit).

That's from last March. They have never tried to hide what their plan is. As we Trump watchers know.

Citing Orwell’s ‘1984,’ judge orders Trump administration to return slavery exhibits removed from Philadelphia museum | CNN Politics

A federal judge, evoking the dystopian world of George Orwell’s novel “1984,” ordered the Trump administration on Monday to return a long-standing exhibit on slavery it removed from a popular historical museum in Philadelphia.

https://us.cnn.com/2026/02/16/politics/philadelphia-slavery-exhibits-judge-orders-return-orwell

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2026 16:31

(The UK has some leeway in being able to modify the code)

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2026 16:56

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2026 16:06

I am afraid you missed the point.

Regardless of field labouring or not, the UKs secular calendar (like most if not all of Europe) is a fossilised example of that annual cycle.

I think you mean the academic rather than the secular calendar? The secular year and the dating system runs from 1st January, New Year's Day. (The tax year starts on a different date again.)

No, I didn't miss the point. I do not dispute that child labour in historic times was probably the reason for a long summer break for schools, though I doubt that most Etonians and the like went home to glean in the fields during their nine- or ten-week summer break... I went on to suggest that we no longer do the thing which led to that long summer break, when we have become more civilised. (The school summer break seems to have become shorter since I was at school, too: my first term at my state school started on my birthday, 14th September, so I definitely remember that, and I am fairly sure the summer terms ended before the last week of July, too.)

I suspect that most children who laboured weren't at school anyway, at the time at which this was being set in stone so that the academic year began in the autumn rather than at New Year or on Lady Day or after Easter, other contenders. And factory children would not have had the long summer break ever, because they were not needed for grunt-work in agriculture, and factory work is not seasonal. I somehow doubt that sweeps' boys did, either.

Trump's lackeys want to bring back child labour. The rest of the civilised world isn't doing that. We have grown out of it. The USA had; now they want to revert to a rather nastier early system. I expect them to start the process to revive indentured labour some time next year, along with payment in vouchers that can only be redeemed at the company store.

DuncinToffee · 17/02/2026 18:15

Statement from the Obama's

Name a better trio than Onion, Garlic & Ginger - Trump Thread #155
placemats · 17/02/2026 18:55

DuncinToffee · 17/02/2026 18:15

Statement from the Obama's

That's a wonderful statement that shows the true measure of Jesse Louis Jackson. RIP.

Igotjelly · 17/02/2026 19:50

logicisall · 17/02/2026 19:45

I think I’ve seen this film before…

YankTank · 17/02/2026 20:03

RedTagAlan · 17/02/2026 14:02

Trumps "truth" on the passing of Jessie Jackson, clipped from Sky.

Hmmmm..

”Someone has died. Have I mentioned that I am the greatest president of all time. PS, Obama sucks.”

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2026 20:24

YankTank · 17/02/2026 20:03

”Someone has died. Have I mentioned that I am the greatest president of all time. PS, Obama sucks.”

Y'know, if Trump hadn't put me right I would have gone on thinking that Rainbow PUSH Coalition was founded in Washington and had its headquarters in Chicago.

RedTagAlan · 18/02/2026 02:32

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2026 20:24

Y'know, if Trump hadn't put me right I would have gone on thinking that Rainbow PUSH Coalition was founded in Washington and had its headquarters in Chicago.

Shiver me timbers. Do you mean Trumps "Truth" was not true ?

PickAChew · 18/02/2026 08:13

YankTank · 17/02/2026 20:03

”Someone has died. Have I mentioned that I am the greatest president of all time. PS, Obama sucks.”

This is the "we blew out budget on CGI" remake with scripts and acting only rivalled by the final Season of Stranger Things.

RedTagAlan · 18/02/2026 08:22

PickAChew · 18/02/2026 08:13

This is the "we blew out budget on CGI" remake with scripts and acting only rivalled by the final Season of Stranger Things.

CGI ?

Reminds me of a review I saw about the Melania "film". The reviewer was trying to figure out how it cost so much to make.

No expensive CGI.

PickAChew · 18/02/2026 08:46

That was meant to be a reply to @Igotjelly