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Labour isn't working - Thread 27

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TheNuthatch · 09/02/2026 17:26

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙 🩵

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 17:44

EmeraldRoulette · 11/02/2026 17:16

I've got a cold <whines> I really hope it shifts cause I've got a big week next week! (Historically my colds have a habit of turning nasty, I do my best to avoid catching one in the first place, but it's not always possible)

Didn't get much done today, although I was in denial until lunchtime.

So after reading about it here, I had a look at a full recording of PMQs on YouTube

I actually don't think Kemi did that well today? But, again I'm not sure what the etiquette is, I did wonder if she would produce something a bit more leftfield rather than focus on the obvious.

is Starmer trying to put on an act? So his shouting and overreaction might be a miscalculation and not a natural response?

And what am I missing - didn't Ed Davey walk into that comment about Hillsborough?

Hope you get better soon Emerald. Fingers crossed its short lived.

The only criticism I could throw at Kemi today is that she could have gone harder on Doyle and been more forensic. In the end it didn't matter, because Davey skewered him. Starmer had no answer so started shouting instead.

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TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 17:58

Upstartled · 11/02/2026 17:36

Hannah Spencer of the Greens, hoist by her own petard, from a MUMSNET post, no less!

In the Telegraph....

In a post on Mumsnet in 2021, Hannah Spencer described the high street in Levenshulme, one of the main towns in the constituency, as being full of “money-laundering takeaways”.

And the whole post went like this...

I second @################## with their thoughts on Levenshulme. I've bought and sold there (don't live there anymore) and I would be really really careful about how much you spend as it certainly is a LOT of hype. The estate agents (Edward Mellor etc) have done a huge trade in the hyping! It has been 'up and coming' for at least five years but barely anything has changed. In fact a lot of the good stuff has sadly actually gone.

It is a huge shame because there is a community spirit and it did have a lot of potential, it is just hugely blighted by a mile long row of (supposedly) money laundering takeaways which mean independent businesses can't get a look in. It is centred around one of the busiest roads in Manchester which makes walking around not great. I thought I would regret leaving it but I'm so glad I moved, you can get so much more for your money elsewhere.

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Oh dear! Not a good look. 😂

There are widespread rumours locally that she was sacked from one of her previous jobs in housing for a racist message or WhatsApp.

I haven't mentioned it on here as I can't back it up, but I've heard it more than once from people who live in that constituency. Her LinkedIn profile has been doctored apparently.

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Whereistheejectbutton · 11/02/2026 18:16

Just saw Starmer shouting at Ed Davey - not a good look…

DiySteve · 11/02/2026 18:30

As political calls go, the Doyle one is not a difficult one. It’s perfectly fine in my view to believe a friend’s claims of innocence, but if they then go on to plead guilty, the obvious political reality is that you are never going to be a viable candidate for membership of the House of Lords. Frankly, if they do not plead guilty and continue to protest their innocence, unless or until they are acquitted, you are not going to be a viable candidate for membership of the House of Lords.

To grasp that you should not need to be, or employ, “a brilliant strategist, focused ruthlessly on what the voters think”, as many connected to this government keep telling me the departed Morgan McSweeney was. If you oversee a Downing Street operation that cannot get such an obvious call right, what other mistakes are you making?

Of course, it is an open secret that Starmer has delegated a great deal of responsibility as prime minister, but that doesn’t make him any less responsible for the mistakes. And that’s one reason these mistakes should worry us all, regardless of our political affiliation. If you fall headlong into a scandal about freebies that no organisation with a modern gifting policy would fall victim to, you are probably going to make big mistakes elsewhere. If you cannot navigate these simple political questions, what other mistakes are you making?

That, of course, is something Starmer’s would-be replacements know too, and while some of these mistakes can easily be blamed on Starmer, what worries some of his would-be replacements is that if they replace him too early, they will be left carrying the can for mistakes that none of us know about yet.

FT

TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 18:43

DiySteve · 11/02/2026 18:30

As political calls go, the Doyle one is not a difficult one. It’s perfectly fine in my view to believe a friend’s claims of innocence, but if they then go on to plead guilty, the obvious political reality is that you are never going to be a viable candidate for membership of the House of Lords. Frankly, if they do not plead guilty and continue to protest their innocence, unless or until they are acquitted, you are not going to be a viable candidate for membership of the House of Lords.

To grasp that you should not need to be, or employ, “a brilliant strategist, focused ruthlessly on what the voters think”, as many connected to this government keep telling me the departed Morgan McSweeney was. If you oversee a Downing Street operation that cannot get such an obvious call right, what other mistakes are you making?

Of course, it is an open secret that Starmer has delegated a great deal of responsibility as prime minister, but that doesn’t make him any less responsible for the mistakes. And that’s one reason these mistakes should worry us all, regardless of our political affiliation. If you fall headlong into a scandal about freebies that no organisation with a modern gifting policy would fall victim to, you are probably going to make big mistakes elsewhere. If you cannot navigate these simple political questions, what other mistakes are you making?

That, of course, is something Starmer’s would-be replacements know too, and while some of these mistakes can easily be blamed on Starmer, what worries some of his would-be replacements is that if they replace him too early, they will be left carrying the can for mistakes that none of us know about yet.

FT

I thought those were your words until the last line. Christ, that's in the FT?

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DiySteve · 11/02/2026 18:52

TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 18:43

I thought those were your words until the last line. Christ, that's in the FT?

Yes ma’am.

The FT is running a few Starmer-related pieces today. Evidently there is still a hardcore nucleus of Labour supporters amongst their digital readership, although it is diminishing, whilst Nikkei is increasingly critical of Starmer.

TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 18:59

The Lib Dems are considering using their opposition day to force a vote on the Doyle files - as the tories did on Mandelson.

The Lib Dem opposition day is 24th February, two days before the by election in G&D.

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DiySteve · 11/02/2026 19:00

TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 18:59

The Lib Dems are considering using their opposition day to force a vote on the Doyle files - as the tories did on Mandelson.

The Lib Dem opposition day is 24th February, two days before the by election in G&D.

Come on Ed, be a Blucher to Kemi’s Wellington.

Sorry…

TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 19:01

DiySteve · 11/02/2026 19:00

Come on Ed, be a Blucher to Kemi’s Wellington.

Sorry…

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😂😂
Love your posts.

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EasternStandard · 11/02/2026 19:03

TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 18:59

The Lib Dems are considering using their opposition day to force a vote on the Doyle files - as the tories did on Mandelson.

The Lib Dem opposition day is 24th February, two days before the by election in G&D.

Yes please, do it.

EmeraldRoulette · 11/02/2026 19:18

thanks for the well wishes

@TheNuthatch how's your recovery going?

BTW, if anyone has name changed, I'll probably just see it as a new name! I'm not very good at spotting previous posters!

and I'm often suspicious of new names I'm afraid. Looks like we had a strange plopper earlier...

TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 19:25

EmeraldRoulette · 11/02/2026 19:18

thanks for the well wishes

@TheNuthatch how's your recovery going?

BTW, if anyone has name changed, I'll probably just see it as a new name! I'm not very good at spotting previous posters!

and I'm often suspicious of new names I'm afraid. Looks like we had a strange plopper earlier...

I'm good thank you. Back at work which is a big relief for everyone concerned. I'm not housewife material. 😂

There are a couple of name changes on this thread that I've worked out. I'm not very good at spotting who is who either, so you're not alone.

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EmeraldRoulette · 11/02/2026 19:29

@TheNuthatch glad you're doing well

Sarahconnor1 · 11/02/2026 20:09

Really curious interview on C4 news with Lord Simon McDonald. Talking about the Cabinet Secretary and the speculated replacement Antonia Romeo.

https://x.com/krishgm/status/2021663212023034123

On C4 News : Extraordinary interview tonight with Simon McDonald - former Permanent Secretary at the Foreign Office - who is trying to warn No 10 about the widely reported plans to replace Chris Wormald as Cabinet Secretary with Antonia Romeo without a new appointment process. He says ditching Wormald is “extraordinary” and he wants to talk to them about the Foreign Office investigation into allegations against Antonia Romeo in 2017 which the Cabinet Office said was investigated and dismissed without a case to answer. “Due diligence has some way to go” says Lord McDonald who says there must be a full process before any appointment. He says he’s been trying to speak to No 10 but nobody is calling him back!

Krishnan Guru-Murthy (@krishgm) on X

On C4 News : Extraordinary interview tonight with Simon McDonald - former Permanent Secretary at the Foreign Office - who is trying to warn No 10 about the widely reported plans to replace Chris Wormald as Cabinet Secretary with Antonia Romeo without a...

https://x.com/krishgm/status/2021663212023034123

justasking111 · 11/02/2026 20:13

Sarahconnor1 · 11/02/2026 20:09

Really curious interview on C4 news with Lord Simon McDonald. Talking about the Cabinet Secretary and the speculated replacement Antonia Romeo.

https://x.com/krishgm/status/2021663212023034123

On C4 News : Extraordinary interview tonight with Simon McDonald - former Permanent Secretary at the Foreign Office - who is trying to warn No 10 about the widely reported plans to replace Chris Wormald as Cabinet Secretary with Antonia Romeo without a new appointment process. He says ditching Wormald is “extraordinary” and he wants to talk to them about the Foreign Office investigation into allegations against Antonia Romeo in 2017 which the Cabinet Office said was investigated and dismissed without a case to answer. “Due diligence has some way to go” says Lord McDonald who says there must be a full process before any appointment. He says he’s been trying to speak to No 10 but nobody is calling him back!

Still not listening then

TheNuthatch · 11/02/2026 20:34

Sarahconnor1 · 11/02/2026 20:09

Really curious interview on C4 news with Lord Simon McDonald. Talking about the Cabinet Secretary and the speculated replacement Antonia Romeo.

https://x.com/krishgm/status/2021663212023034123

On C4 News : Extraordinary interview tonight with Simon McDonald - former Permanent Secretary at the Foreign Office - who is trying to warn No 10 about the widely reported plans to replace Chris Wormald as Cabinet Secretary with Antonia Romeo without a new appointment process. He says ditching Wormald is “extraordinary” and he wants to talk to them about the Foreign Office investigation into allegations against Antonia Romeo in 2017 which the Cabinet Office said was investigated and dismissed without a case to answer. “Due diligence has some way to go” says Lord McDonald who says there must be a full process before any appointment. He says he’s been trying to speak to No 10 but nobody is calling him back!

Interesting. I wonder what the investigation was about?
I just looked at Lord McDonald's wiki page. He blew the lid on Chris Pincher apparently.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_McDonald,_Baron_McDonald_of_Salford

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DiySteve · 12/02/2026 05:08

Ministers, advisers and civil servants are braced for political fallout from the impending release of tens of thousands of documents relating to the disgraced peer Lord Peter Mandelson and his appointment as UK ambassador to the US.

Many fear highly embarrassing messages will emerge, including some that contain criticism of Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer himself. “There’s a lot of concern that there could be things that are irrelevant to the issue at hand, but very embarrassing — tittle tattle, ‘water cooler’ gossip,” said one person familiar with the matter.

A former Number 10 adviser said: “Honestly, I think this exercise is mental.”

FT

zurigo · 12/02/2026 07:59

DancingFerret · 11/02/2026 17:04

The House of Lords has lost no time in refuting Starmer's claims about Doyle. (Delicious!)

https://archive.ph/gLB2Q

There really has to be a system of stripping people of their knighthoods if they don't meet certain moral, ethical and legal criteria. It's infuriating that politicians can make lords/ladies out of anyone and we, the population, are stuck with them having a say in our laws when their disgraceful behaviour comes to light.

Mandelson has stepped down from the lords - good - but he must be stripped of his knighthood if he's found to have shared state secrets with Epstein. This paedo, who Starmer made a lord, why the fuck wasn't that process stopped in its tracks until the truth was clear? And why the fuck is Michelle Mone still sitting in the Lords - she was convicted of screwing over the taxpayer for tens of millions of pounds during the pandemic and yet she's STILL 'Lady Mone', sitting in the upper house of our legislature and able to claim expenses for it!

There must be a huge shake-up of the whole process of who can sit in the HoL, for how long, and there must be a clear, simple process for stripping people of their privilege and their title if they are later found to have committed crimes.

zurigo · 12/02/2026 08:15

Sorry, that should say 'paedo apologist' above.

DiySteve · 12/02/2026 09:23

Sir Keir Starmer is facing a backlash in Whitehall over plans to force out cabinet secretary Sir Chris Wormald after just 14 months in the role. Dame Antonia Romeo, permanent secretary at the Home Office, is seen as the frontrunner to succeed Wormald as head of the UK civil service.

An announcement confirming Wormald’s exit and setting out interim arrangements for the role to be shared between officials, while a permanent candidate is finalised, is expected as soon as Thursday. Romeo, who would be the first female cabinet secretary if appointed, was the subject of a fierce political attack by an ex-mandarin on Wednesday.

Sir Simon McDonald, former permanent secretary at the Foreign Office, told Channel 4 that if Romeo was promoted to the position, it would show “the due diligence still has some way to go”. He said he had been in touch with the government earlier in the day about contributing to any vetting process regarding Romeo and had not yet received a response.

Romeo faced allegations about bullying and her expenses while consul-general in New York between 2016 and 2017, according to media reports, but these claims were dismissed by the Cabinet Office at the time “on the basis there was no case to answer”. McDonald was at the helm of the Foreign Office when the allegations were made.

FT

EasternStandard · 12/02/2026 09:35

LIVE Labour misses major growth forecasts
GDP manages meagre 0.1pc growth in final three months of 2025
Construction suffers worst quarter in four years

I’m pretty sure they blathered on about building for Britain or some nonsense pre GE and that would equal growth. What’s going on there

DancingFerret · 12/02/2026 09:43

EasternStandard · 12/02/2026 09:35

LIVE Labour misses major growth forecasts
GDP manages meagre 0.1pc growth in final three months of 2025
Construction suffers worst quarter in four years

I’m pretty sure they blathered on about building for Britain or some nonsense pre GE and that would equal growth. What’s going on there

I heard that earlier. Apparently, Reeves is playing it down, blethering about being "on track" or some such rubbish. (I was only half listening.)

DancingFerret · 12/02/2026 09:50

Reeves's waffle on the lack of growth at 7.23am:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/02/12/uk-economy-growth-2025-gdp-obr-imf-ftse-100-markets/

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