Angela Raynor being talked about as possible leader? Surely not.

[Ozgirl76]

I get the point of Raynor - she’s the modern Prescott, the “Everyman”, the one who the trad Labour voters might identify with, with the vaping, clubbing and tax evasion.

But as a leader on the world stage? Have we learnt nothing from Boris? Having a deeply unserious leader is surely not what the U.K. needs now, in this time of global turmoil?

Honestly if she becomes leader the U.K. will be an absolute laughing stock.

I ve heard her at PMQs, she has zero problem representing herself or her party, in fact, Bojo was so bothered by her, he came out with his "Fatal attraction" remark...

Is it her accent that bothers you?

It's Rayner not Raynor!!

I am a northern woman and can’t think of much worse than Angela “I’m not educated, me” Raynor being PM. Unless it’s David ‘Henry VII succeeded Henry VIII’ Lammy, or anyone in the current Labour lineup, frankly. Looking at that bunch of incompetents, we really are doomed.

Not misogyny. Kemi’s great.

What she did was be inconsistent/ untruthful about which was her primary residence.

LyIng, cheating and generally showing yourself to be untrustworthy, doesnt sound so bad when you polish those attributes up and deliver them like you have.

Are these really the attributes we desire in a leader?

Its not misogyny. Rachel has been an appalling Chancellor for normal taxpayers and ordinary businesses.

The next song for the Liebour party conference should be. 'You're shit and you know you are'🎶

Angela Rayner would solve Labour's "women problem", but that's about it. Playing up the working class northerner schtick is ridiculous..... it just makes her appear common and unintelligent (I have no idea whether she is or not, but it's not a good look for someone on the world stage). Plus her tax affairs surely preclude her from high office?
I'm no fan of Sir Keir, but at least he's decent if dull. Those keen to see him go should be careful what they wish for.....

Keir Starmer is not a decent man, as evidenced by his words and deeds.

You could at least try and get her name right. @Ozgirl76

Why do we always have to trot out the misogyny line when women are held to account for their poor behaviour and under performance. 🙄

John Major had the advantage of being a man. And southern.

As I've said, I wouldn't personally choose her. But I'm disturbed that much of the critique of her seems to be driven by the fact that she is a northern working class woman who had a disadvantaged start in life. Whether or not people choose to recognise it, the double whammy of misogyny and classism is undoubtedly a factor.

Agree on that re the decent and dull refrain. He’s worse than that.

Keir Starmer is totally lacking in any morals and integrity. Let's stop setting the bar so low for repugnant individuals like these.

Thank goodness our leaders no longer feel forced to be male and have elocution lessons to hide their regional accent. I'm sure AR is perfectly capable of 'presenting' herself and being a leader.

@BrunchBarBanditmy objection is because she can’t even sort out her own personal
affairs, which meant she had to resign and now she’s thought ‘oh, I’ll come back as Prime Minster’ politicans are a joke!

I disagree. I think the criticism is not about being Northern or female, it's that she is not cut out for the job of leader. Backbencher - yes.

Who is your suggestion then?

That really would be scraping the barrel.

She’s not bright enough to lead a country.

I realise that lots of people make mistakes but making quite serious often illegal mistakes seems to be rife amongst the people in power. Can we really not find anyone who can do the job who is decent and understands that when you’re in power you need to be whiter than white? If you’ve done what Rayners done you’ve lost your chance. In my view Reeves should have stepped down too. The problem with these people is that they are ‘do as I not as I do’ types.

AR will be awful for this country, ditto David Lammy. The only person who I find impressive at the moment is Wes Streeting.

I’m Northern, a woman, and would be defined, certainly by income, as working class. Someone who lies, and calls her colleagues, albeit from another party ‘scum’ just doesn’t do it for me.

And please not Milliband or Lammy. Or RR. 🙏🏼

I'm not a member of the Labour party so don't get to have a say in that decision.

Streeting who decided conducting harmful experiments on children is A-OK?

What I don't understand is why so many conservatives, and men, have had similar investigations and NOT had to step down. Did she do the right thing, no. Is she the first to do this, also no. Is everyone who does it treated fairly. Absolutely not.

It's interesting how few people are 'disturbed' by her referring to others as 'scum'. It's shameful that Angela Rayner claims to represent me as a Northen women.

Who did she say are scum?

I think they should give her a chance (for all the reasons that PP have said), but she does need to up her game and broaden her appeal.

The current government are demonstrating how utterly unprepared they were for government. She needs to show that she's a leader, not a protestor.

My advice to Angela:

-Find a safe seat because, sorry, you are going to lose Ashton to Reform. I live in the region, and Labour really has lost white working class areas.

-Stop trying to be popular and 'of the people'. Show your leadership and management potential, and don't be shy of complex arguments.

-Take some advice on how to up your game on the international stage with international players. Consider carefully how you will appeal to SE voters.

-Get some mentoring from a senior politician from 'the other side'. Advice from a Northern conservative woman may help you to widen your appeal.

At the moment I'm afraid that Angela will not help Labour's electability. She needs to deepen her appeal and lose the 'gobshite' image.

Why wouldn’t you choose her? I’m not sure it’s fair that you assume other people dislike her because she’s a northern working class woman, but you don’t like her for other reasons. Why can’t other people dislike her for the same reasons as you?