Angela Raynor being talked about as possible leader? Surely not.

[Ozgirl76]

I get the point of Raynor - she’s the modern Prescott, the “Everyman”, the one who the trad Labour voters might identify with, with the vaping, clubbing and tax evasion.

But as a leader on the world stage? Have we learnt nothing from Boris? Having a deeply unserious leader is surely not what the U.K. needs now, in this time of global turmoil?

Honestly if she becomes leader the U.K. will be an absolute laughing stock.

We were just talking about this! If that twerp got in then I think people would think even less of the Labour Party then they already do, I already think they’re a load of twats. After the fiasco with the stamp duty, she’s hardly proven herself as a credible candidate to lead the country. It’s laughable.

Why? The beginning to laugh that is

I agree, totally unsuitable for the world stage. She's really local Councillor material so got lucky somehow. Wes Streeting seems the best of a bad lot but looks like he's tainted by the mandelson scandal.

I’d imagine it’s because she’s a cheat and a liar who didn’t pay the correct stamp duty whilst others have to.

No need to try and find offence where there is
none, look at facts.

You mean that she isn't middle class enough?

Could someone please persuade David Miliband to return to politics. Labour so desperately need someone of his standing and calibre.

The facts aren't established yet. If the investigation concludes with her being fined, then I don't think she is likely to stand. If the investigation exonerates her, then she probably will.

She is just awful - full stop. Do you really want someone like her to represent our country? I thought Starmer was bad enough but she really takes the biscuit.

Divorce doesn't excuse tax evasion and lying.

I think at this particular juncture the country needs someone as PM who is actually honest and trustworthy without a hint of dodgyness and that isnt Angela R. Who it could be, I just haven't a clue, looking at that sad front bench.

I think she’s actually pretty good talking about workers rights, unions etc, her skills are in this area. I mean, I mainly disagree with the things she says, because she has never worked in a business so has no idea how they run. But she has her views and I think she deals with this to the benefit of workers quite well. Although saying all of that, the current govt is systematically making things worse and worse for workers but I assume there is some plan to their policies that we just haven’t seen yet.

But dealing with complex global disputes, economics etc, she just doesn’t have the education for this.

I don't particularly want Raynor as leader - she wouldn't be my choice.

But I'm depressed by how much of the dislike of her seems to be based on misogyny and classism.

And allegations about her tax affairs that haven't yet been proven.

People will deny that it has anything to do with her being a working class woman from the north of England, but their disdain oozes from some of their posts.

She won't be the first working class PM.
Or northerner
Or woman

How about because she has to appear on the world stage and be effective? Do you think she can do that?
Do you think she will do the best she can for the whole population?
Do you really think she's got what it takes?

And it isn’t really a class thing. The Australian PM is resoundingly working class but he is educated, upstanding, and represents the country well on the world stage.

Why? And in what way?

oh but I didn't know is the same bs as Keir's he lied to me, I didn't know wah wah.

Why do we have these useless muppets.

If Angela takes over we can all look forward to Nigel Farage by 2029.

Angela will serve the voters and the country up to Nigel on a silver platter.

It would be the dumbest thing on earth.

She’s awful. Rough as fuck. A grifter and an insult to hard working, decent, honest people who used to make up the majority of the people in this country but sadly probably not now.

I cannot stand all this I was on benefits and live in a council house shtick. It doesn’t make you fit to run a fucking country. We want someone exceptional who can be taken seriously at G7.

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I just want a decent government with a decent leader. Sex shouldn't come into it.

They and she aren't it.

Oh and people hated Boris and Cameron because they were “upper class” - I think people generally prefer a working or middle class leader, someone more normal who can slightly understand the struggles of the majority.

It’s not class that people dislike her for. In fact I don’t think they DO dislike her. I just don’t think she’s PM material.

I like Rachel Reeves but I think that Angela Raynor does not have the requisite presentation skills to be PM.

Before anyone jumps in saying I am classist, I felt the same way about Boris.

Like Boris she is almost an unserious caricature and I think that is never helpful in politics.

Andy Burham would be my preference if he was available

Keir is being ridiculed and put down mercilessly.

Is it because he is white, male and middle class?

But sadly, was close to Mandleson, wasn't he?

And I'd rather he stayed with health

Deeply unserious because she’s northern and working class…? For wrong or for right politicians are elected - they don’t pass exams to qualify for that role.

Right. It's not just the tax dodge. It's the apparent missuse of her son's money