A pro Trump thread to balance the 154 anti Trump threads!

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Thought I’d be brave and start a pro-Trump thread for a change, after all, there are so many anti-Trump ones , we need some balance!
I even tried commenting on an anti-Trump thread today… and wow, just kept being told to go away, my comments were not well received. Honestly, I feel honoured to feel as if I have been officially deported, what an achievement!😂

I go with the theory that he banged his ear on the lectern when he ducked.

The bullet was a 223 rem, which is the same as NATO 556. I remember when I first heard a 446 go past on the army shooting range, I was in the pits at the target boards. The bullet was about 12 feet or so above my head but I still ducked.

Yup. I was looking for the entry/ asylum claims data last week. I could not find it for 2025. Takes time to compile and publish of course, and I am in a country with limited internet.

The Trump admin does appear to be a bit slow with data.

Oh the irony 🤨

You're misrepresenting what that article says to suit your agenda. The drop in numbers wasn't 2025 as you claim. It clearly states it was the 2025 fiscal year, October 2024 to September 2025. It also states that in September 2024 Biden and the Mexican president brought in new restrictions around the border.

But of course, Trump will take the work of others and spin it to claim it as his own.

The figures from the article state:

"By comparison, record highs were reported under the Biden administration of 392,196 in Q1 of fiscal 2025; 988,512 in Q1 of fiscal 2024; and 865,333 in Q1 fiscal 2023, according to the data."

It clearly states Q1 of fiscal year.

The Q1 of a US fiscal year is the period October to December of the preceding year - so Q1 fiscal year 2024 is October 2023 to December 2023.

There is no misinformation or misrepresentation from my side but simply an inability to understand data from your side.

Ripping men women and children out of cars, houses, schools, pepper spraying them, physically manhandling them, regardless if there are children or animals in the vicinity is NOT a humane way to deal with any level of immigration. This is barbaric unhinged behaviour. Most of the people accosted are not criminals. ICE have been given a daily quota, they will literally take anyone of colour or accent so they get their quota and money. Some of these people are or were going through the legal process to become citizens and apprehended before completion. In one recently reported case, the couple were en route to register their one month old child and ICE broke the windows of the car all over the mother father and child and wrestled them from the car. This is rabid madness.

What the magas dont appear to understand is that if a government take this approach with one faction of the community...your day will come. Project 2025 for example limits workers rights and limits womens rights. So the day may arrive when you rise up to object to this or something else ...and find you will be the peppersprayed abused, shot or maimed oppressed.

It's time to end this thread. The OP abandoned it ages ago, the subsequent Trump defender has not responded to my questions for comments on various geopolitical and legal issues, and we have descented to squabbling over data minutae.
Ciao, I really wanted to understand the pov of genuine, full on Trump supporters.

The reality is that there are very few actual Trump defenders - as in those people who don't believe that he has done anything wrong or that he's simply misunderstood or is actually a really nice person in real life.

What you do have though is a large number of voters who believe that the current system and current economy doesn't work for them. For example a policy of net zero which creates high energy prices so that industries then move abroad to countries with cheaper but much more polluting energy production.
Or the use of tariffs to protect home industries and jobs against overseas competition using lower labour costs.
Or control of illegal migrants coming across the border from Mexico.

In short voters wanted "change" and not more of the same. Trump despite his obvious deeply flawed character was the only candidate promising this.

Yep, I’m sorry I don’t agree with @1dayatatime on this - I am not a conspiracy theory kind of person but I’m afraid I don’t put this past him or those around him- and MAGA have an absolute truck full of undereducated useful idiots they could probably call on .

Yep, I’m sorry I don’t agree with @1dayatatime on this - I am not a conspiracy theory kind of person but I’m afraid I don’t put this past him or those around him- and MAGA have an absolute truck full of undereducated useful idiots they could probably call on .

Yep, I’m sorry I don’t agree with @1dayatatime on this - I am not a conspiracy theory kind of person but I’m afraid I don’t put this past him or those around him- and MAGA have an absolute truck full of undereducated useful idiots they could probably call on .

But a theory that he banged his ear when he ducked from the shooting is not a conspiracy, it's just a different interpretation of actual events.

A conspiracy theory would be that the shooting was deliberately staged by Trump or his supporters to garner votes or to deny that it ever happened.

So those conspiracy theories that you disagree with are total bollocks but the ones you do agree with might just be true.

This is human nature and we are all inclined to believe certain conspiracy theories but this doesn't mean that they aren't all total bollocks.

But this suggest that Trump orchestrated the shooting to win votes which resulted in one person dying (leaving a widow and children) and two other people with life changing injuries is up there with flat earth batshit craziness or stupidity.

Why? It's not an unusual phenomenon, especially when it comes to dictators, to stage events to win elections. I've already mentioned Putin but there are many other examples - Turkey bombing it's own consulate in Greece to incite anti-greek violence, Stalin bombing a village and blaming it on Finland to initiate war.

So, as far as conspiracy theories goes, this one isn't that batshit crazy.

I don't put anything past him whatsoever, and I don't think they'd be at all bothered by sacrificing a random guy in the crowd. But I do think a shooting like that has way too many variables that could go wrong for it to make rational sense. If timing or aim was just a little bit off it could be disastrous, so I'd discount it on those grounds alone. I do not, however, believe he was really injured by the bullet. Considering what we now know about how badly he bruises and how easily he bleeds (a sharp look from a democrat seems to do it) I don't think it would have healed to invisibility so quickly.

Their policy, their statements, their lies, and their increasing hold over business, tech and social media are the real conspiracy.

FBI seized 2020 Fulton County ballots last week - Greg Dolezal Lt Governor of Georgia explains why:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1968783300706982
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1425779932264115

Some of the details are shocking.

1,900 - 2,400 voters registered at a homeless shelter they don't have that many beds!
70 registered at another shelter that closed in 2017!

96 registered voters at a UPS store!

138 voters registered to vote at one address, a mailbox!

Lots of voters with a date of birth of 1800 or 1900 ..... which means they don;t have a date of birth
So many duplicates of same person living at the same address but with a slight variation in their name (Bob or Rob)

Not sure what to say really. Can't imagine this ever happening in the UK.😟

As for the ear shooting conspiracy...if it were anyone else I would likely poo poo the suggestion. Trump on the other hand is a different story.

If even one story from the trumpstein files held any truth to it...it demonstrates he is depraved.

Lets face it he will do ANYTHING to hold power, ( already put the wheels in motion to fix the next elections). He is a narcissist and has demonstrated so many times how fragile his ego with a well exercised propensity to hold grudges and seek revenge even for the most innocuous of reasons.

Did they all vote Republican or Democrat? If so how do you/they know? This could be a deliberate attempt by the republicans to make it look like its a 'DEM' problem.

Trump tried to fix the voting in 2020 . Sowed the seeds of distrust for mail in voting and also the voting machines ( which was found in a court of law to be bs)
He appointed someone...whose name escapes me to oversee postal votes...so this man, in large rural areas in blue states limited the amount and access to the number of of post boxes.

So let's be clear trump cheats ...on his wives, on his country, friends, ( Fell out with epstein over a property epstein wanted to buy and trump poached it from him) relatives ( ask Mary Trump what he did with her inheritance... ps she didnt get it. ) .

He lost 2020 DESPITE trying to fix the election and conning people into believing it was a fixed vote...yet here we are and he is sowing the seeds again. ( worth mentioning he hid after rallying the crowds on Jan 6th)

You are absolutely spot on, @Tinytimmy123. Frankly, if Trump told me the sky was blue, I wouldn't believe him - I’d check for myself. He wouldn't know the truth, honesty or decency if they jumped up and bit him.

Quick, someone get Dinesh D'Souza, we need a "2000 Mules Part 2"

Remember that classic pro Trump Propaganda film. 100% de-dunked.

Things like : "our surveillance cameras caught this same man with a cap and backpack go past the same postbox multiple times a day"

I really despair. As I previously stated I am no fan of Trump and there are so many verifiable reasons and documented examples of Trump's deeply flawed and corrupt character that it doesn't need batshit theory conspiracy theories to discredit him- he is doing a fantastic job of discrediting himself through his own actions.

But the idea that Trump would sign off on a staged shooting that killed one man and live changing injured two others in the midst of an election campaign needs a special level of stupidity to believe.

I really don't want to stoop to the dumbest levels of intellectual debate to explain this but think about it.
If it was staged then why did the shooter fire off 8 shots - one or two would have been sufficient.

But have a look at the wiki account of the shooting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Donald_Trump_in_Pennsylvania

I feel like you are missing the point. Personally, it is more that Trump has created a narrative that is so driven by lies and outrageous behaviour that anything is possible.

On balance, I don't truly believe he orchestrated this himself but there is definitely doubt that it was an assassination attempt on him. He is the one who has created an environment where people believe this might be a possibility.

As I said, I don't believe he orchestrated the shooting, but what has he ever said or done that would make you believe this?

I mean, if you want to talk about a special level of stupidity...

But the idea that Trump would sign off on a staged shooting that killed one man and live changing injured two others in the midst of an election campaign needs a special level of stupidity to believe.

Well.... the source for this is one of the MAGA faithful. The FBI is run by the MAGA faithful. This process has zero transparency. Trump lost 60 challenges showing no evidence of tampering. So if you believe this, it's because you want to believe it.

Let's not forget that Trump ordered Raffensperger to find 11,780 votes