Labour isn't working - Thread 26

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙🩵

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Interesting and shocking read, even now!

https://spectator.com/article/peter-mandelson-betrayed-his-country/?=tempfb

The problem is that pretty much all the senior female Labour politicians seem to be having a fairly terrible time. Yvette Cooper is experienced but so far Starmer has gone abroad so often, no one hears much about her work as foreign secretary.

Ok I listened to the Guardian question who read out three Labour MPs basically saying Starmer should go.

His response - yes I get they’re angry with Mandelson and the last Labour gov. How does he not see they’re angry with him when the quotes are about him? How slippery can he be?

He makes me feel ill. And then for some reason my IG threw up some Epstein emails which were so bad and revolting. I say fuck it get rid of the rot. Mandelson gone, McSweeney and Starmer to go. I hope people stay angry and vote accordingly.

He’s not going to go willingly. And it does look as though there isn’t anyone who could take over from him. Maybe it’s better he stays, being useless, until the next GE so they get voted out.

Incredible isn’t it, they’ve only been in power 1.5yrs. 3.5yrs left. It feels like they’re in the throes of 20years in power

I agree
But to some extent they are getting blamed for problems that pre-date them

I forgot to say, in the Robert Jenrick interview, they did ask him about AAEF and how on earth he got given British citizenship which was under the Tories.

Robert's answer was interesting - he said that basically many people are in those sorts of jobs for what they can get and the title and so on. I think he was avoiding explicitly saying that nobody checked why the man was being given citizenship? I mean you can't make this stuff up.

So to some extent, it feels as if the labour party have been in power for the last 20 years already because we've had nothing but government problems for a really long time now.

I was even wondering if the EU referendum was thrown out as a distraction from other stuff. I was puzzled by David Cameron seemed so incredibly obsessed with it at the time.

We are now in territory where David Icke was apparently right about a paedophile ring being in charge of the world - so anything is possible.

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Starmer: I need to stay on as PM because you can already see how the bond markets would adversely react were I to step down or be forced from office.

Oh do FRO, Starmer.

The release of Mandelson files due to the humble address is going to keep journos thriving on this for ages. It’s incredibly broad and covers all correspondence.

It’ll take a while to start but when it does there will be swathes of information coming out. Labour will be remembered for this and Starmer. Good.

Wales has a reform leader in waiting. Dan Thomas from the valleys who sought a career in London. Became a councillor in Barnet rose in the ranks to become council leader. He spoke very well this morning. Kemi had a dig which I thought was beneath her. She'll never be in power in Wales, reform are a better partner which is all she could ever hope for.

Saw similar on X and checked for myself incase it's fake. It isn't. Best pack your bag, Keith.

Reading some of the posts on here -

Good.

Gosh he’s looking bad on the Telegraph shot. Stress showing.

I thought that yesterday. About time he lost a bit of his over privileged too much red wine drinking chub anyway.

In his typical Teflon style Starmer seeks to shift blame away from himself. They'll need to carry him, kicking and screaming, out of No.10. He'll not go quietly.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/aff8ed99b95cdb30

I'm reminded of that guy I see in the pub quite often - he's the one who said to me "why would there be an early election? Starmer has a huge majority". I try not to talk about politics with friends but I did wonder if he realised how much unhappiness there was, and that was back in autumn.

and then I get confused and wonder if I'm living in an echo chamber seeing all the unhappiness. But now.... here we are.

I think many people read the landslide at the g.e. as a ringing endorsement. They glossed over how it was achieved with such a low percentage and that it had been loaned a vote on the promise of change and not increasing taxes.

I think most people thought Labour couldn’t possibly be as bad - or make as MANY mistakes as the Tories are perceived to have done. They’re all the same. But the Tories have never claimed the moral high ground so..

I’d prefer Starmer to keep limping on to the GE as they’re ALL dreadful and I can’t see anyone else handling the Trump muddles. Trump knows him and doesn’t mind him (currently). I also despised the musical chairs of Tory leadership and I would hate the same thing with this government. It’s shit and destabilising. Starmer won them this election so make him stay and suck it up.

Though in practice I preferred Sunak, Johnson won the Tories the election and the dicking around after he was forced to resign made me so furious. Run the country and stop infighting. So your leader’s an embarrassment, so what. We’ve now all been there. Fix the NHS, the fiscal drag and try not to have tariffs doubled.

You just know that there is another unforced error waiting to trip up Starmer again.

It may be in the shape of McSweeney.

We all know that, whatever it is, Starmer will fuck
it up - it’s the one thing he excels at.

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Just heard the apology also heard the retired head of MI6 who was adamant that he would have been briefed. The arrogance.

Ikr every time Starmer and Labour do this and blame others. Hopefully it’ll have the same effect on Starmer as it did Rayner. The arrogance is insane.

(sorry, I meant to include @Upstartled post here. But can't do it retroactively)

I read it as a ringing endorsement as well

And I thought that all the things I don't want for the country are clearly things that the majority do want for the country.

Now I don't know. I didn't watch much of pre-election coverage but I just assume that anyone who says they won't raise taxes is lying!

I suppose that those people who were put in front of a camera post election were likely have been the most enthusiastic supporters who were hopped up on their 'things can only get better' supply. But the red wall was decimated in 2019, when people who had a history and culture built around labour (not all of us, but enough for it to be called the red wall) gave up on the status quo in hope that they'd find a voice in the other guy. And Boris couldn't deliver the manifesto or the on the promises he made. So they spun the wheel again, with Starmer - who offered job creation, low taxes and, err, change - something different. This wasn't an endorsement, it was last chance saloon. The votes came in but scepticism was high and trust was low.

And this is how Starmer started to fall in popularity the moment he hit the ground and the polls for Labour followed after him. Within days this promised change was couched with nasal whistling caveats of 'later, later' and '14 years of Tories' and then along come the u-turns, the game was up and Labour had confirmed their worst suspicions.

It was always a shallow win. There's no faith, loyalty or patience for them. Polls and elections will only tell you who people will or have vote/d for, not their tolerance for them. Not being the other guy isn't going to save you.