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MsJinks · 21/01/2026 16:27

I think a lot of his supporters, and some others, may actually like the idea of the US having more land - being powerful. The US being the greatest. They may also not trouble to look into it and just think it’s pretty fair.
Perhaps I’m unfairly extrapolating that from those I see/hear in the U.K. who definitely would like that too.
I think they’d maybe be ok to pay - after all the US is so super rich and doing so well under Trump!
I don’t think many would support military action - whilst WW2 doesn’t seem to hold much sway now, maybe too far away, I think Vietnam is a hard memory still for many Americans.

Serpentstooth · 21/01/2026 16:28

And for winning ww2.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 21/01/2026 16:30

Checking in.

AcrossthePond55 · 21/01/2026 16:30

the80sweregreat · 21/01/2026 16:15

It’s a genuine question, but are the American people happy to pay this huge fee for Greenland? The hard core republicans may be, but I’m sure even a few of those may not be entirely happy about it. Was it something he spoke about before he was elected?
It’s an eye watering sum of money , but spun to be in the National interest to own it. Surely the people in Greenland need a referendum on it too ?
What’s the actual plan ? Just offer money and see what happens ?

Of course not. At least not with those of us who have even half a brain. MAGAts accept his verbal vomit as stone tablets being brought down fm Mt Sinai so they probably think the money is just lying around somewhere in Ft Knox. The hardcore GOP are probably screaming into pillows but dare not contradict him for fear of being primaried and losing their seats.

But as far as I can figure there is no 'plan' just his blather and threats. Although 700b has been mentioned, his assertion still seems to be that it should just be given to the US' or if they won't that the US should just take it. As someone who's had everything given to him on a silver platter from childhood (or he's stolen what he wants), that's not a surprising belief.

I don't believe Greenland was ever mentioned during his campaign or if it was it was just a passing comment which no one took seriously. He made so many outrageous assertions I'm not surprised it passed notice. I don't know where buying it originated and who put that particular bug in his ear.

SerendipityJane · 21/01/2026 16:31

Anyone suggested Trump gather seashells on the shore in Washington ?

RedTagAlan · 21/01/2026 16:49

Trump saying he wants payback for WW2.

Thing is, can anyone think of a war the US has been involved in where they did not stay in some form ?

I can only think of Vietnam.

Italy for example has 12k US military personnel. For what ? To defend it ? Defend it from who ?

Nah. It's for the benefit of the USA. Forward staging posts for troops. Naval bases for their ships to replenish and repair. And dare I say it, because the USA has such a big military it does not know what to do with it. The defense budget is such a massive spend that it can't take the chance of reducing it. And of course, the military industrial complex is so spread out across the US that no politico can vote against the increasing defence budget, becuse they will shut plants down, costing jobs.

Serpentstooth · 21/01/2026 16:51

Isn't he also well known for not paying for anything if he can weasel out of it? So eleventy billion trillion dollars is probably as meaningful as the 6000% he mentioned when wittering about pharmaceuticals today.

SerendipityJane · 21/01/2026 16:53

Trump saying he wants payback for WW2.

Fuck off. That has been paid.

With interest.

RedTagAlan · 21/01/2026 16:57

SerendipityJane · 21/01/2026 16:53

Trump saying he wants payback for WW2.

Fuck off. That has been paid.

With interest.

Indeed. We were still paying for lend lease into the 2000s.

And there was the other stuff, like Frank Whittles jet engine patents.

SerendipityJane · 21/01/2026 17:00

However, if that's what Trump wants then maybe a wealth tax to pay it ?

Serpentstooth · 21/01/2026 17:06

But those are NATO bases aren't they? For the defence of W Europe, so benefit to USA and the countries housing the bases. Thus US has one/more? base in Greenland and could have more for the asking. The US doesn't pay for rent or services in Greenland, don't know about other countries. So he doesn't need access. He wants ownership. If he decides to threaten to withdraw from NATO, leaving Europe to become prey to enlarging Russia, US would still have a foothold, bought and paid for, in the North Atlantic, handy for threatening Canada, you're next, but also for defence. Fing see you next Tuesday Pigly.

MO0N · 21/01/2026 17:43

SerendipityJane · 21/01/2026 17:12

You get the idea.

#bekind ?

Aghhh, please dont get my hopes up.
That video makes it sound like his base might actually turn on him. I wont be able to endure the disappointment when they dont😖

Spandauer · 21/01/2026 17:48

Oh! And his lies are so easy to expose.

All that guff about wind turbines and China not having any wind farms...

www.visualcapitalist.com/the-largest-producers-of-wind-power-by-country/#:~:text=China%20leads%20the%20world%20in,the%20U.S.%2C%20which%20ranks%20second.

Blackmail, Bluster and Batshit Bonkers - Trump Thread #153
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SerendipityJane · 21/01/2026 17:50

MO0N · 21/01/2026 17:43

Aghhh, please dont get my hopes up.
That video makes it sound like his base might actually turn on him. I wont be able to endure the disappointment when they dont😖

Oh, they won't turn.

Trump has become Emperor. I would say it was a bloodless coup, but the family of Renee Good and several sailors might not share that sentiment.

If we assume all factors are equal so that the direction of travel continues at the same rate of change, before 2026 is up, all European and South American leaders will be expected to pay fealty to him and submit.

Obviously as Trumps subjects we will also be expected to submit.

SerendipityJane · 21/01/2026 17:52

Spandauer · 21/01/2026 17:48

Oh! And his lies are so easy to expose.

All that guff about wind turbines and China not having any wind farms...

www.visualcapitalist.com/the-largest-producers-of-wind-power-by-country/#:~:text=China%20leads%20the%20world%20in,the%20U.S.%2C%20which%20ranks%20second.

While all the thickies here are bemoaning net zero, China is forging ahead (as indeed they said they would when "the West" was lecturing them on environmental issues). It's one reason why China can be a little bit less frantic over oil and gas prices.

Serpentstooth · 21/01/2026 18:26

Re paying fealty. To get him to not tariff Swiss products at 39 percent or whatever, the Swiss president made a personal visit to WH clutching a gold bar stamped 67? Or whatever number president he is and a gold Rolex clock. Personal gifts for the grifter - possibly melted down and thrown at the walls in the Oval Office bordello. Tariff down to 15%. No crawling naked over broken glass required but who knows what joy the future may bring?

Igotjelly · 21/01/2026 18:34

Think I might be slightly in love with Mark Carney.

persephonia · 21/01/2026 19:21

Serpentstooth · 21/01/2026 17:06

But those are NATO bases aren't they? For the defence of W Europe, so benefit to USA and the countries housing the bases. Thus US has one/more? base in Greenland and could have more for the asking. The US doesn't pay for rent or services in Greenland, don't know about other countries. So he doesn't need access. He wants ownership. If he decides to threaten to withdraw from NATO, leaving Europe to become prey to enlarging Russia, US would still have a foothold, bought and paid for, in the North Atlantic, handy for threatening Canada, you're next, but also for defence. Fing see you next Tuesday Pigly.

I would say they were of mutual benefit in the past...
During the cold war America needed to be able to have its nuclear deterrent. They also needed to be able to establish early warning systems overseas as detecting a missile when it is already flying over US soil isn't much good. That means keeping nuclear weapons silos/radars etc on foreign soil.The downsides for the host country are that it automatically means they will be the first to be obliterated in any nuclear exchange. If you want to attack America, you will also take out all American bases in Italy etc. This is a massive risk so to balance it those countries get to come under Americas nuclear umbrella. And of course have military bases so the protection of boots on the ground but really, the nuclear weapons are key. In fact, one of the strategies for America during the cold war was making sure that war never came to American soil. There's no way of knowing what would actually have happened if the USSR had taken a popnat Italy. Would America have risked it's own destruction by retaliating. It doesn't really matter because people believed enough in the possibility the deterrence is enough.

But that also meant it was in America's interest to strongly dissuade even allies from developing their own nuclear programmes as they needed them under their own umbrella. Plus to be fair the less nuclear weapons the better. Also nuclear weapons are expensive so it is a saving for the smaller countries not to build them. A saving America was more than happy for those countries to make.

America might have wanted Europe to "spend more". However it was always strongly opposed to them developing their own independant nuclear deterrence**, a European army. Rather spending more meant more spending on the US defence industry. If the UK and EU (and the rest of the world) are now "dependent" on America it's a dependence they wanted and encouraged for their own strategic ends. Not the EU taking the piss. Spinning it as purely "for the defence of Western Europe" isn't entirely honest.

Trumps "golden dome" idea is basically a fantasy that they can have nuclear weapons without worrying about being attacked by enemy nuclear powers or needing allies to form a successful deterrence. It's actually quite dangerous in its own right.
.

TL/DR the French have been proven right goddamit.

AcrossthePond55 · 21/01/2026 19:27

Dear Mr Carney,

Hi! It's California, remember us? Oh and Washington (state) and Oregon are here too. Listen, we were all talking and wonder if you and Canada would mind adopting us. We promise to learn the words to O Canada, drink Molson's and Canadian Mist (but not together), and to be very very polite. We really really don't like it here anymore. That man in charge is crazy and really starting to scare us. So, please can you make us your 11th province or your 4th territory? We'll try to talk Alaska into coming too, but can't promise anything. Oh and we want you to know that WE don't want Greenland, we think they're just super the way they are.

With much love,
CA OR WA (and maybe AK)

CaveMum · 21/01/2026 19:55

I see he’s TACO’d again.

DuncinToffee · 21/01/2026 19:56

He has taco'd on the tariiffs.

hopefullyme · 21/01/2026 19:57

AcrossthePond55 · 21/01/2026 19:27

Dear Mr Carney,

Hi! It's California, remember us? Oh and Washington (state) and Oregon are here too. Listen, we were all talking and wonder if you and Canada would mind adopting us. We promise to learn the words to O Canada, drink Molson's and Canadian Mist (but not together), and to be very very polite. We really really don't like it here anymore. That man in charge is crazy and really starting to scare us. So, please can you make us your 11th province or your 4th territory? We'll try to talk Alaska into coming too, but can't promise anything. Oh and we want you to know that WE don't want Greenland, we think they're just super the way they are.

With much love,
CA OR WA (and maybe AK)

I wonder if MN would sign up - another on the border.

boatyardblues · 21/01/2026 19:59

You guys have been busy. I’m still catching up on the last few pages of the last thread. In case anyone else was being driven round the twist by the ads on the YouTube recording of Carney’s speech, I found it on the WEF site & it is blissfully ad free:

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-address-by-mark-carney-prime-minister-of-canada/

ETA: I agree with other posters who said it was epoch-making and historic. It was a barnstorming speech and strangely reassuring.

Davos 2026: Special address by Mark Carney, PM of Canada

Canadian PM Mark Carney stressed the end of the rules-based international order and urged middle powers to act together to counter the great power rivalry.

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2026/01/davos-2026-special-address-by-mark-carney-prime-minister-of-canada/

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