Blackmail, Bluster and Batshit Bonkers - Trump Thread #153

[Spandauer]

Enough already.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5472639-who-are-they-kidding-its-oil-oil-oil-baby-trump-thread-152

Thanks for corrections.

:-)

MT : Hello Mister President

DT: Did you watch it?

MT: I did not.

I think it's this

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/june-2020/invitation-to-a-joyless-party/

I AGREE WITH TRUMP !

( Offer subject to change,T&Cs apply)

Trump : "certainly, "(Mr Pretti) shouldn't have been carrying a gun".

I agree. But not for the same reason of course. I just happen to think nobody should be walking around with guns, and I include most Police in that. Every other nation on earth manages just fine without guns stuck in every pocket. Even war zones.

I don't thing MAGA will agree with him though, and I know for a fact the NRA won't. Wonder how Fox and Breitbart will spin this.

Trump wants to 'de-escalate' in Minneapolis - but says ICE victim shouldn't have carried gun | US News | Sky News

CIA - investigates criminals abroad that affect US citizens. Hunting down Bin Laden in Pakistan is a good example.

FBI - investigates serious federal crimes, which are above the remit of the state governments. Things like 9/11 or an assassination attempt on a president, which wouldn’t be handled by the local police force.

ICE - anything to do with immigration or customs.

Border Patrol - the boots on the ground at the actual border.

ICE are anywhere in US. Border patrol are within 100 miles of a border.

Border Patrol was set up in the 1920s, ICE after 9-11.

I find it interesting because I think Bush set up ICE because of terrorism. He wanted a nationwide force to be able to check papers etc, arrest and deport. The whole immigration thing appears to be one of these GOP manufactured " problems" that was never really a problem. Prior to ICE, cross the southern border and get caught within 100 miles and you got put on a bus and sent back. Get 100 miles away, and you were pretty safe. Unless you done a crime and the cops caught you.

The farms/ meat packers/ hospitality etc needed migrant workers. The economy needed them, and still does. And South Americans crossing back and forward just wanting to work and make money to send/take home was not an issue. They were needed. So long as they kept their nose clean and head down.

But ironically, once the Repugs said " Hey, this is an issue, a big problem" ( a vote winner), and the migrant back and forward was defined as " not good", people started to claim asylum.

More complex than that of course, and I am happy to be corrected. But I think that at it's basic level, it was a manufactured policy. Same as abortion, and now the culture wars.

🍊💩's inflammatory language about Ilhan Omar has consequences. This could have been so much worse.

Representative Ilhan Omar Is Attacked at Town Hall in Minneapolis
A man who had been sitting in the front row rushed at the Democratic representative and sprayed her with a strong-smelling liquid. He was removed by security and later booked into jail.

Yahoo. As this is a general Trump thread and not a dedicated doom and gloom one, we can yell yahoo.

Want to shut a MAGA up ? Just ask if they agree with Trump that it's not a good idea for folk to walk around with guns.

I have tried it on other threads, and it appears to work... so far. They seem to be waiting for instruction from FOX on how to answer.

:-)

From memory the US needs the UK (GCHQ) to do the spying on US citizens

FBI can deal with cross border crimes, and where Federal rather than state laws are broken, you often see ‘mail Frau’ used where something illegal is posted over state lines

I cannot imagine being the parent of a child slain in the name of the second amendment realising how full of shit the excuse for it was and is.

Yes these are the exact same people who fretted about the gubmint trampling on their rights and now two actual White Americans are shot they're like meh.

Look at any far right talking points (be it the bottom of a Facebook post or Twitter) and you'll see that Tommy4eva25747856 reserves his real scorn for the liberals/ lefties who enabled the immigration etc

https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/28/mod_palantir_deal/

Sigh

It's a shame children have to die so we can see how vile some adults are.

Yes indeed.

And chewing the cud on the 2nd: My understanding is that the 2nd came about because the leaders did not want a standing army. Freedom was the thing after all, so instead of a standing army, they would have a "well regulated militia". Men were to keep muskets at home, with ball and dry powder, report for militia training, and just be ready in case of war.

The tyrannical guv stuff is not in the constitution at all. That was in letters between the founding men, and these letters were later collated and published as the Federalist papers.

As soon as the USA set up a federal standing army, the 2nd was effectively superseded.

And it sort of was. It was forgotten about. And it is really only relatively recently the 2nd has become a thing. I think that had something to do with the Black Panthers.

If SCOTUS were actually doing their job, the 2nd would be applied as per the words written in it. " A well regulated militia.... " .They have those. The army, Navy, Airforce, National Guard, Marines, Space force (lol).

A gun fetishist rubbing oil into his wood stock at night is not a militia.
That's from memory. how wrong am I ?

:-)

Oh the gun lobby is incandescent with rage. The government killed a white, male, gun owner. And it's broken them. Fuck.
x.com/grahamformaine/status/2015820580902023291?s=20

I mean, I think they're getting around the 2nd amendment stuff by pretty openly saying it only applies to republicans, aren't they? Or were about two days away from that. What's the issue here?

As a lowly Brit, my understand of the second amendment was that it was a very pointed "fuck you" to the British who had made it illegal to own arms.

The very first thing any tyrant must do is disarm the population. Fans of Goebbels will recall that he wrote that the only reason for anyone to own a gun is in service of the state. Which is a very vague term allowing some to be armed and some to be disarmed.

Of course the genius of Project 2025 is that they cleverly sidestepped focusing on guns as the weapon that could harm them. They realised the most dangerous weapon they will face is decency intelligence and truth. So they have systematically removed those from the American people. Without those who gives a shit about guns ? So last rebellion revolution

I have never been able to get my mind around the reason that so many law enforcement unions and individuals support a party that's so keen to put as many guns into as many hands as possible (with the exception of democrats, as we now know). It makes their job so much more difficult and dangerous. It makes absolutely no sense to me. But then, I also don't understand how any of them could support a party that staged January 6 and a president who pardoned it.

There was a really interesting article in the Atlantic several years ago about how much policing in the US changed when we started equipping them with surplus military equipment. I'll see if I can find it and link it later.

I agree. But not for the same reason of course. I just happen to think nobody should be walking around with guns, and I include most Police in that. Every other nation on earth manages just fine without guns stuck in every pocket. Even war zones.

It's interesting the "discussion" (you can't argue with stupid) on the non-FWR thread about the bike ride. There is a distinct coterie of posters who are really really really vexed about people who undertake perfectly legal activities leading to a TL;DR that "it doesn't matter if it's not illegal; why would you want to do that ?".

What the holy hell is this?

https://bsky.app/profile/aidancomerford.bsky.social/post/3mdhrr3pzdc2w

'I respect that you see it otherwise'? FFS

*As a side note, he's lost his freaking mind.

What a nuanced and lovely thread this is. I can certainly understand the despair and desperation of many people who post here. Take care and have hope in your heart ❤️

And it sort of was. It was forgotten about. And it is really only relatively recently the 2nd has become a thing. I think that had something to do with the Black Panthers.

The Huey Newton Gun club are still around

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_P._Newton_Gun_Club

I think some of the more bonkers anarchist groups are also a bit gun nut and there's a few Reddit threads around John brown/ General Sherman that monitors those southern antebellum nostalgics in MAGA. What's that old quote about the after effects of the US civil war that was posed in the 1960s? "It's too early to tell yet"?

Given the last 2 weeks' events this thread has rattled along. 😞

One day I will wake up and not be angry.

To keep us going into February - a new thread for when this one is full.

Courage, mes braves!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5482659-whatever-atrocity-is-next-trump-thread-154

On which note:

Thanks for the new thread, @Spandauer .