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What’s happening in Venezuela and what does it mean?

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theotherfossilsister · 03/01/2026 07:47

I’m confused- has the US gone to war with them? What are the implications if so?

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Teddleshon1 · 05/01/2026 22:12

All that article does is spell out what a real risk Venezuela under Maduro represented to the US. Although it contains nothing new, if anything it justifies Trump’s actions.

Ryah76 · 05/01/2026 23:06

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 03/01/2026 17:41

The US running the country sounds like Disneyland by comparison to cartels running it. Hell I’d rather have Putin running the UK if the alternative was Mexican gangs.

This isn’t a regime change, Trump hasn’t gone in to rid authoritarian rule- he knows the deputy who is now in charge of the country is the USA’s puppet. She is going to do what the USA wants .. and that’s to handover the heavy crude oil the USA needs for its refineries and economy. If you think any of this means the end of the cartels.. you need a reality check.

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 09:18

Hamas, Iran, Russia and China have all condemned the arrest of Maduro in the strongest possible words. If one has to pick a side I will happily choose the other aside to this quartet of horrors.

EasternStandard · 06/01/2026 09:27

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 09:18

Hamas, Iran, Russia and China have all condemned the arrest of Maduro in the strongest possible words. If one has to pick a side I will happily choose the other aside to this quartet of horrors.

Agree although I think there’s a few who would choose that quartet.

Even though if they got close enough that list would be as nice to those supporters as they were / are to dissidents where they are.

rainingsnoring · 06/01/2026 09:53

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 05/01/2026 21:42

Well, yes, I get that there are some crazy Islamists in the world. No doubt some of them live in Iran. But pointing to their support for the dictatorial Iranian theocrats is no sensible answer to anything.

Again, you appear to have failed to understand both points.
If you think the US regime or a random MN has 'a sensible answer' to either of these complex issues, you need to take a pause and think again!

rainingsnoring · 06/01/2026 09:57

Teddleshon1 · 05/01/2026 22:12

All that article does is spell out what a real risk Venezuela under Maduro represented to the US. Although it contains nothing new, if anything it justifies Trump’s actions.

Are you able to explain how it 'justifies Trump's actions'?
Do you think that feeling that another country is an economic competitor of your own justifies an invasion, involving numerous killings and endless destruction? Do you think that this principle extends to private individuals too? Do you support attacking anyone whose property or land I might fancy, killing their family and taking it over?
Your comment is odd in the extreme.

rainingsnoring · 06/01/2026 10:05

BelleHathor · 05/01/2026 21:59

Excellent article, non emotional and factual, which lays out the geopolitical aims clearly. The Human rights and Oil Spin is to manufacture consent from the uninformed public. It's much easier to sell than, "we fucked up so royally by sending all our manufacturing to China, destroying our education system and making expensive widgets, that we can't possibly catch up fairly"

I don't agree with some her points regarding the reason for Chinese, Iranian and Russian presence in Venezuela as they also read as "sexed up" justifications for future actions against these 3 countries, instead of maybe they are just assisting an ally. The writer is after all a Fox News contributor and things like that appeal to that audience.

Ironically by using that excuse Trump has just justified Putin's "Special Military Operation" as Europe is in Russian sphere of influence lol.

Trump has previously said that he wants to destroy BRICS, this single move signals that he is serious. He has also sowed discord and distrust as lots of people were blaming Russia and Iran on Saturday for not aiding Venezuela (especially after Syria's fall in 2024).

This is all Geopolitical chess and unfortunately Venezuela is just a pawn.

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Thanks for summarising your thoughts. As I said, I haven't had a chance to read the article yet but agree with a lot of your thoughts, espectially this bit:

'we fucked up so royally by sending all our manufacturing to China, destroying our education system and making expensive widgets, that we can't possibly catch up fairly' (one thing you can guarantee is the dishonesty and total lack of humility about how they actually caused China to become an economic threat) and what you say about Trump being serious about attacking his perceived enemies. It was funny to watch Starmer squirm when trying to answer with Trumps's action is different to Putin's, with one apparently to be condemned and the other not. Let's see what the Europeans say/do when Greenland is attacked. What a total mess!

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 10:27

@rainingsnoring primarily because Venezuela is located some
2,000 miles from the US mainland and is home to a deepening range of military links with Iran and Russia and a close alignment with China too.

Then of course there’s the widespread organised crime, drug trafficking and illegal arms trading. And the fact that Maduro was behind one of the largest refugee crises in the region’s history

Both Argentina and the USA had existing arrest warrants out for Maduro, under different governments. It is not a remotely controversial statement to say Venezuela was a threat to the USA. Biden agreed on this.

nOlives · 06/01/2026 12:32

Along with all these political and economic reasons there is the thought that this is about Maduro mocking Trump on social media.
Yeah, crazy, but bear with me here.
We know crazy isn't a blocker for Trump
and
Those sort of posts prevent USA visas or randomly get you 3 weeks in a foreign jail without a phone call, on arrival
and also
There was that war about threatening Dubbya Bush's daddy WMD.

rainingsnoring · 06/01/2026 12:52

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 10:27

@rainingsnoring primarily because Venezuela is located some
2,000 miles from the US mainland and is home to a deepening range of military links with Iran and Russia and a close alignment with China too.

Then of course there’s the widespread organised crime, drug trafficking and illegal arms trading. And the fact that Maduro was behind one of the largest refugee crises in the region’s history

Both Argentina and the USA had existing arrest warrants out for Maduro, under different governments. It is not a remotely controversial statement to say Venezuela was a threat to the USA. Biden agreed on this.

Sure. I understand the various reasons why the US feels threatened, although a lot of them are entirely of their own making, which they clearly won't admit.
I don't think there are an internationally agreed arrest warrants for Maduro. Argentina under Millei is just a US vassal.

The issues is that you seem to think their fear/concern justifies them invading a sovereign country and kidnapping the president, something that the US has done on multiple other occasions and continues to do and propose to do. I asked you how this is justifiable and where does it stop? Can we all buy weapons and attack our neighbours farms because they have taken a share of our profits, because we were stupid enough to not manage our own farm well?
Does this sort of action not concern you in terms of international relations and the ever increasing risk of them triggering WW3? You are naive it not, imo.

BelleHathor · 06/01/2026 13:06

rainingsnoring · 06/01/2026 10:05

Thanks for summarising your thoughts. As I said, I haven't had a chance to read the article yet but agree with a lot of your thoughts, espectially this bit:

'we fucked up so royally by sending all our manufacturing to China, destroying our education system and making expensive widgets, that we can't possibly catch up fairly' (one thing you can guarantee is the dishonesty and total lack of humility about how they actually caused China to become an economic threat) and what you say about Trump being serious about attacking his perceived enemies. It was funny to watch Starmer squirm when trying to answer with Trumps's action is different to Putin's, with one apparently to be condemned and the other not. Let's see what the Europeans say/do when Greenland is attacked. What a total mess!

No problem at all, it's actually wonderful having an adult conversation!

Agree about Starmer, he looks like he's waiting for the new instructions of what's acceptable to say to be downloaded lol. It is the height of hypocrisy regarding Russia.

I think a part of what scares Trump and all American administrations is that they're fully aware of the illegal actions (including Colour revolutions) that they've carried out that they worry about China or another country acting the same way if they become more powerful. It's judging others by America's own lack of standards and respect for sovereignty.

Also Trump made so many promises during the election season that he's so far failed to deliver (just look at the Epstein shenanigans). The truth is manufacturing is likely never coming back, but he can't say that.

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 13:23

@rainingsnoring I wouldn’t shed any tears if other similarly unelected thugs who oppressed their own people (such as Putin and Khamenei) were whisked away in order to face justice, would you?

BelleHathor · 06/01/2026 13:52

Good Tweet/Article here from Arnaud Bertrand regarding the descent of America into theft and banditry and what it says about them.

It's a sinister move, no more rules makes the whole world unsafe. Ironically after Trump’s actions 1000s of people around the World (including many Americans and MAGAs) responded to a tweet by
Supreme Leader Khamanei in Iran begging/pleading with Iran to just build "the Nuke". Trump failed to take into account the law of unintended consequences.

"Venezuela killed the US. Or rather, it revealed it was already dead. In the history of the US’s relation with Latin America, what just happened in Venezuela is hardly unique: the U.S. government has intervened to change governments in Latin America a total of 41 times (https://revista.drclas.harvard.edu/united-states-interventions/).

What is unprecedented however is the brazenness, the unabashedly predatory nature of the intervention. Trump is not pretending this is about anything else than resource extraction. He explicitly stated "we're going to be taking out a tremendous amount of wealth out of the ground" and that this wealth would “go to the United States of America in the form of reimbursement for the damages caused us by that country." (https://npr.org/2026/01/03/g-s1-104346/trump-venezuela-maduro-press-conference).

Stunningly, the US isn’t even insisting on regime change. They’re quite happy for the Chavista government to stay in place under acting president Delcy Rodríguez as long as she “does what we want,” (said Trump: https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/04/politics/us-running-venezuela-trump-administration), vowing to bomb the country again if she didn’t. In other words, there is absolutely zero pretense there: submission to the U.S.’s will is the only variable that matters.

Never before in its entire history has the U.S. been so nakedly… bad. This might sound almost trivial. “So what if they admit they’re bad, at least they’re not hypocritical about it anymore,” you might tell yourself. Some might even find that refreshing in its honesty.

Quite the contrary. The story a nation tells itself is not trivial - it is everything. We, human beings, for better or worse, are structured by mythology and self-deception. Think about yourself, what drives your own behavior? You have, doubtlessly, ideals you want to live up to. If you have kids you have ideals of what a good parent ought to be. If you have a spouse you have ideals of what fidelity and partnership mean. If you have a job you have some conception of integrity. You probably fall short - we all do - but the ideals still structure your behavior. They give you something to reach for, they provide the terms in which you can be criticized - including by your own internal dialogue. They make it possible for you to do better tomorrow. The hypocrisy - the gap between ideal and reality - is not the problem. It's the proof that the ideal still has a hold on you, that you can still be called back to it.

As the saying goes, hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue. Now imagine you renounce all this. Imagine you stop being a hypocrite in the sense that you abandon your ideals entirely, that you start owning up to your worst self and become comfortable with your vices. You cheat on your spouse and stop pretending it bothers you. You neglect your children and make peace with it. Have you thus become “refreshingly honest”? Maybe. But you’ve also died inside. You’ve become something deeply broken - beyond shame, beyond appeal. You’ve lost the internal architecture that makes moral life possible. The little light that said “this is not who I want to be” is extinguished. That is what the United States just did. The consequences of this are, frankly, terrifying. What happens when a nation stops telling itself it should be good?"

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/2008490056965910740?s=20

Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) on X

Venezuela killed the US. Or rather, it revealed it was already dead. In the history of the US’s relation with Latin America, what just happened in Venezuela is hardly unique: the U.S. government has intervened to change governments in Latin America a...

https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/2008490056965910740?s=20

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 14:05

@BelleHathor yeah we get it, USA bad ; Venezuela, China, Iran, Russia, Hamas etc etc good.

EasternStandard · 06/01/2026 14:07

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 14:05

@BelleHathor yeah we get it, USA bad ; Venezuela, China, Iran, Russia, Hamas etc etc good.

Would anyone here swap places to those countries, @BelleHathor?

China might be the least problematic, so I’ll ask for Iran, Russia or Venezuela pre removal of Maduro

StandFirm · 06/01/2026 14:08

"But you’ve also died inside. You’ve become something deeply broken - beyond shame, beyond appeal. You’ve lost the internal architecture that makes moral life possible. The little light that said “this is not who I want to be” is extinguished. That is what the United States just did. The consequences of this are, frankly, terrifying. What happens when a nation stops telling itself it should be good?"

This quote is one for the ages.
We're not only living in an age of post-truth, it is post-ideals.
As an aside, those conditions breed cults and oppressive religions. As a Christian, I feel very strongly against mixing religion with power as it's always and inevitably corrupted the spiritual message. Dogma and oppression are abhorrent but that's what such a world breeds.

user233675892 · 06/01/2026 14:17

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 14:05

@BelleHathor yeah we get it, USA bad ; Venezuela, China, Iran, Russia, Hamas etc etc good.

That's a startlingly silly and simplistic take from what's been written.

LlttledrummergirI · 06/01/2026 14:31

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 14:05

@BelleHathor yeah we get it, USA bad ; Venezuela, China, Iran, Russia, Hamas etc etc good.

If that's what you've taken from this thread I suggest you reread it.

Most people are capable of holding more than one consideration in their heads at once, apart from in my experience MAGA supporters and bad actors. These parrot the same simplistic arguments In an attempt to misdirected and twist facts to fit their narrative. They are incapable of real analysis and rely on using the gotcha technique which only serves to show them for who they are.

You seem to thank that those who believe a country illegally invading another, killing it's citizens, removing it's current head of state, parading them on tv/in the media against the Geneva convention and holding them hostage to gain access to oil/minerals means that those people also support those who cling on to power and cause harm. Do you not think that perhaps the reason the world is outraged is because the rule of law has been ignored?

A big bully taking out a smaller bully by force doesn't make the world safer, it makes it more dangerous.

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 14:35

@user233675892 I might have more patience for that sort of guff if you can show me examples of where the author is similarly exercised about the daily breaking of “international law” by a raft of other countries.

Just bizarre to write about the arrest of a murderous criminal thug for whom there are outstanding arrest warrants and who Obama declared a threat to national security over 10 years ago in such hyperbolic fashion.

EasternStandard · 06/01/2026 14:39

Teddleshon1 · 06/01/2026 14:35

@user233675892 I might have more patience for that sort of guff if you can show me examples of where the author is similarly exercised about the daily breaking of “international law” by a raft of other countries.

Just bizarre to write about the arrest of a murderous criminal thug for whom there are outstanding arrest warrants and who Obama declared a threat to national security over 10 years ago in such hyperbolic fashion.

Biden had an appeal for arrest for Maduro, whilst claiming Trump liked him. I mean misinformation abounds.

But other than that I do wonder if Biden had seen through the arrest how many posts would be different.

user233675892 · 06/01/2026 14:46

EasternStandard · 06/01/2026 14:39

Biden had an appeal for arrest for Maduro, whilst claiming Trump liked him. I mean misinformation abounds.

But other than that I do wonder if Biden had seen through the arrest how many posts would be different.

There is a difference between encouraging overthrow in a country and swooping down, unprovoked, with the flimsiest pretext, with one of the largest militaries in the world and making it happen. I do not see anyone posting and defending Maduro. I do see people pointing out that it's foolish not to look at the wider implications beyond the immediate moment as well as being honest about the fact that it's completely unclear that anything much will change.

EasternStandard · 06/01/2026 14:51

user233675892 · 06/01/2026 14:46

There is a difference between encouraging overthrow in a country and swooping down, unprovoked, with the flimsiest pretext, with one of the largest militaries in the world and making it happen. I do not see anyone posting and defending Maduro. I do see people pointing out that it's foolish not to look at the wider implications beyond the immediate moment as well as being honest about the fact that it's completely unclear that anything much will change.

Biden had millions for information leading to Maduro’s arrest. What was he planning to do with that?

Other than putting out misinformation in tweets, how would his arrest have been different?

BelleHathor · 06/01/2026 14:57

Unfortunately, sometimes tribalism and loyalty to a side can blind people and analysing potential consequences and deliberately interpret doing so as meaning that you support "xyz" dictator.

This always happens, when Assad was removed in 2024, some people warned about the potential for minorities in Syria to be targeted, they were called Assadists and today Christians, Alawites, Druze and other minorities are being massacred daily, but at least Assad is gone....

I'm always reminded of when the Democrat's were warned about changing a particular rule in the Senate but they went ahead:

"The nuclear option was invoked on November 21, 2013, when a Democratic majority led by Harry Reid used the procedure to reduce the cloture threshold for nominations, other than nominations to the Supreme Court, to a simple majority.[3] On April 6, 2017, the nuclear option was used again, this time by a Republican majority led by Mitch McConnell, to extend that precedent to Supreme Court nominations, in order to enable cloture to be invoked on the nomination of Neil Gorsuch by a simple majority.[4][5][6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

Nuclear option - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

EasternStandard · 06/01/2026 15:08

BelleHathor · 06/01/2026 14:57

Unfortunately, sometimes tribalism and loyalty to a side can blind people and analysing potential consequences and deliberately interpret doing so as meaning that you support "xyz" dictator.

This always happens, when Assad was removed in 2024, some people warned about the potential for minorities in Syria to be targeted, they were called Assadists and today Christians, Alawites, Druze and other minorities are being massacred daily, but at least Assad is gone....

I'm always reminded of when the Democrat's were warned about changing a particular rule in the Senate but they went ahead:

"The nuclear option was invoked on November 21, 2013, when a Democratic majority led by Harry Reid used the procedure to reduce the cloture threshold for nominations, other than nominations to the Supreme Court, to a simple majority.[3] On April 6, 2017, the nuclear option was used again, this time by a Republican majority led by Mitch McConnell, to extend that precedent to Supreme Court nominations, in order to enable cloture to be invoked on the nomination of Neil Gorsuch by a simple majority.[4][5][6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

I wish people would separate out Venezuela and their reality from lumping every country together.

There’s a good piece on the thread showing three main reasons why they can be more hopeful.

itsthetea · 06/01/2026 15:21

I can’t think why something that’s been tried hundreds of times before will suddenly work

i cant think why states interfering unilaterally with others can ever be considered a safe precedent ro set