Call for circumcision safeguards after baby death

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No excuse in the UK. Ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqj2r8x2k4yo

I think it’s because it goes off very quickly in hot climates. Also as said above there is more risk of worms.

Personally I do find it a dirty meat as pigs will eat anything. I read once how if you want to get rid of a dead body, feed it to the pigs. Personally I don’t eat it (I’m not a Muslim).

Chickens eat everything and anything too. Unlike pigs they're happy to shit in their food and water supply too.

Yet they're the most popular meat source in the world, including Muslim countries.

As far as I’m aware, chickens don’t roll around in their shit. I only eat beef and lamb so happy to be proven wrong. 😅

A friend of mine is a paediatric nurse and the staff on the ward quietly refer to circumcision as male genital mutilation.

The coroner pointed to the lack of a system for obtaining consent. The most important consent needed is from the owner of the genitals. I don't think that children's genitals should be altered for non-medical reasons.

You do know that the pigs flesh doesn't contain particles of what the pig once ate?

Pigs don't roll in their own mess either.
Cattle and sheep definitely do.

"He wasn't a sample of one, I've somehow managed to have sex with several men who have been circumcised. Some for religious reasons, some for medical. And I'm sure that we all know if our partner is enjoying sex."

Well done you for womansplaining how circumcision has. No effect on men's enjoyment.

If a man was to come on here and say he slept with women with fgm who all enjoyed sex with him he would be given very short thrift...

I don't know about lamb but cows definitely happily live in their own shit. So does that mean you'll stop eating beef and (you should see all the shit around milking parlors) drinking milk? I think if the reason you avoid pork and only eat beef and lamb is because you think animals fall into clean/dirty categories you are seriously misinformed.
Food poisoning is more common in pork and chicken, for instance it is unwise to eat either raw. Or you might just not like them. But to think somehow cows and sheep are clean and the others not is just bonkers.

You don't think the law should involve itself in medicine? You can't possibly be serious about that? Have you thought about that for a single second?
So anyone can set themselves up as a doctor or surgeon? I can produce any substance and call it medicine? I can choose, as a living person, to donate my heart and a surgeon can legally remove it and transplant it to someone else? Even ethical issues abortion and assisted dying, no legal oversight?

Why do you think the law has no place in medicine? I’m trying g to think of a reason it shouldn’t be

It obviously didnt happen, thats why.

I was fairly neutral on the subject until I had my baby boy and the very thought of doing anything so horrific and medically unnecessary to his healthy little body was abhorrent to me. That cemented my feelings on the issue.
I was surprised to learn that a close friend, a secular Jew and his wife, a Muslim lady, also non-practising, decided to have their baby son circumcised.
Their reasons were entirely cultural, possibly including (grand)parental pressure. And perhaps a bit of 'bloke wants his son to look like him.'
Not really good enough. IMO.

People eat steak rare, don't overdo cook lamb so it's a bit pink. I've never heard anyone suggesting eating a rare pork steak is a good idea.

Either this is horrifically offensive or it is a wonderful 'oops posted on wrong thread' 😀

Which basically what it is.

Female genital mutilation is generally viewed as abhorrent and illegal in the UK, yet circumcision by a bloke with some religious scissors seems to be perfectly OK.

People should be free to do what they want to their bodies once they have reached the age of consent but to do this to babies is simply a barbaric medieval practice and a clear example of why not all cultures are equal.

The difference between pigs and other domestic meat animals is that they are omnivores. Nothing to do with what they roll in.

We tend not to eat animals that are omnivores or carnivores as they pose ore risks for parasites and diseases that can cross over or the accumulation of toxins higher up the food chain you go.

Same with the bottom feeding sea food that is barred.

Think of the CJD crisis caused by feeding animal products to herbivores.

Pigs bred in the UK are safe from tapeworm etc and by law cannot be fed 'swill' or meat products and so are safe from the risks of the olden days in which these precautions were developed. But culture and belief are deeply ingrained and if something has always been 'unclean' it is very hard to shift that feeling.

And it is the same, presumably, with communities who circumcise.

But that doesn't mean it is OK to carry on such customs.

One of my DS had it done and the NHS made him wait a ridiculously long time.
He was unable to urinate at one stage (almost no opening) and they still made him wait a number of weeks...turned out he had a rare condition which almost always needs circumcision and no amount of stretching or creams would do anything. Hope your little one gets sorted.

In Germany you can buy a raw pork mince burger. Its apparently delicious with no risk of tapeworm due to the strict hygiene standards the animals are kept in.

It is enforced mutilation of a minor and should be punishable in law.

You haven't read the whole thread have you. Have a look back, we were talking about why circumcision might have become a healthy thing in a hot dry climate and how that could also apply to rules about food. Not sure what's horrifically offensive about that. If you're not religious just sensible, if you are religious message from God to protect his followers.

Thanks, you live and learn. I suppose back when the religions with dietary restrictions started there werent the same safeguards. Just goes to prove these rules are just outdated.

Thinking about it even if safe I couldn't eat it, just doesn't sound appetising to me, so I suppose I have outdated beliefs as well just not religious in my case. Interesting to think about.

Yep - that neatly and accurately sums it up. Still there will be many defending it on the basis of "culture ".

People should be free to do what they want to their bodies once they have reached the age of consent

Not in the UK.

Which makes it even more horrific it's forced upon babies.

There are some places that serve raw chicken in Japan.