Call for circumcision safeguards after baby death

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No excuse in the UK. Ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqj2r8x2k4yo

After gleefully extensive research I can say that my own anecdotal opinion is that sex is better with an uncircumcised man.

You can do more. More subtleties.

But obviously circumcised men have great sexual pleasure too and cut or not would not be a deal breaker, or even a consideration, for me.

Important not to stigmatise circumcision because clearly it is needed medically in certain cases, and even when not the child did not have a choice, and men should be no more objectified for their penises as women for labia or breast appearance etc.

Will the parents be charged with anything? Or the circumciser?

awful.

My DH’s family is Catholic but I don’t remember mentioning it. As I’ve said in a later comment, I was not firing on all cylinders due to an EMCS.

From memory, she was doing a physical examination and I asked her to show me because I had only seen him fully dressed so no confirmation he was actually a boy. She asked at that point I believe.

Ditto shell fish
Also I believe meat keeps better bled.
And I read somewhere that one of the origins of ritual slaughter for consumption by throat cutting and bleeding was that in poor communities people sometimes tried to cut one limb off an animal to eat, leaving the animal alive - and the religious instruction was for compassion. And we need to remember that Islam is an Abrahamic religion and shared Judaism / Old testament beliefs in one form or another.

But I doubt that men of Jewish descent somehow have more problematic foreskins per se.

I feel a bit sick at the thought of that.

This is interesting. If it was a common issue it could explain how the practice arose.

Similarly dietary rules (e.g. restrictions on eating pork and crustaceans) make a lot of sense in a hot country with no refrigeration

Hard to see how given that there seems to be no law against unqualified, unregulated individuals cutting bits off babies.

Though it is very hard to see how this can not be prosecuted under child cruelty or assault, as if you cut off their ear lobes. As a non-professional and for non medical reasons.

That's the crux of this problem.

Exactly this. And in a sterile healthcare facility, undertaken by a health professional.

This -just scandalous it is still practised.

Huh, I am not derailing. PP is asking me about a hypothetical spleen surgery.

And yes of course I don’t want my little one to have surgery. But yes of course would do it if it limited future damage! That poor baby was attached to an IV drip for a week and had to have lumbar punctures unmedicated, and her kidneys are now damaged. Anyway that is a derail. And sorry your LO had to have surgery. Very scary. But no I am not against preventative medicine if data shows it fixes the issue… like circumcision for recurrent balantitis.

Thank you that is reassuring! Hopefully this happens for him 😊

Not read the full thread but have the religious apologists been on yet defending this mutilation? Shame on you if you think there is any justifying this barbaric and medieval act. I judge you for putting your stupid beliefs above the safety and bodily autonomy of your child.
The quote above is all that needs to be said on this.

I don't think anyone has really defended it.

Good! Hopefully they're too ashamed to have put their own children through such barbaric nonsense.
Why aren't Muslim and Jewish (and American) parents standing up for their own tiny babies, just putting their foot down and saying 'NO, not doing it'?

I hope so, it changed quite suddenly with my son.

@callmej

I won’t quote you because I think we are going round in circles here and am now being accused of derailing the thread. But yes to confirm for the nth time. I am very pro preventative medicine and don’t agree with NHS lax knee jerk approach to healthcare. So yes in my daughter’s case it’s complex. I trust the consultants balance of risk here as I don’t know any better. For my son on the other hand it’s very simply that circumcision does resolve the issue. I don’t need a consultant to tell me that. It’s very clear from a quick google and a scan of a few medical papers. Most countries would have already recommended it. And there are PP on here saying their children have had, or were going to have it at a similar age on the NHS. So do I trust the NHS postcode lottery explicitly… no.

So to confirm..
I do not think circumcision should be banned.
I do not think the law should involve itself in medicine.
I do think all medical practice including choice circumcision should be regulated.
I believe home circumcision/ black market dodgy circumcision should be prosecuted.

I don’t think there’s anything else I can add on this so I will leave this thread here. Thank you for your discussion. 🙏

What discussion, you left ?

Thank you too, it was an interesting chat. If it helps, I didn't think you were derailing at all and think the comparison with your daughter was entirely appropriate, even if we disagree on the take home. I don't actually think we're at all far away on the changes we would like to see, and I do respect your opinion and your reasoning. I wish your children all the best, hopefully your little boy turns a corner soon.

I hope you reported this nurse.

You do not know how much more they would be enjoying it if they actually had full sensation.

Thank you 😊 Really appreciate your reply. Happy new year, health and happiness to you for 2026!

The fact I wouldn’t circumcise my ds was the main instigator in my marriage breakdown (Muslim XH).

Yes I was stupid not to factor this in when marrying but I was very young at the time and living in a Muslim country.

I class it as genital mutilation. Babies foreskins are fused to the penis so it’s like ripping off a fingernail.

It doesn’t take a genius to realise an open wound in regular contact with shit and piss is a recipe for disaster.

In Islam, circumcision is sunnah (recommended but not obligatory). I’ve heard a lot of misconceptions from men trying to validate it while living in the Gulf. I was once told it prevents all STDs. Also that woman prefer it.

The only time I would accept it is if it was medically necessary or if ds decided to get it done as an adult.

• re hot cupcakes and pork why pork in particular surely the risk is all meat?

Poor baby. He must've been in so much pain :-(

I was told that pork carries more risk of worms.