Adam Ramsay Peaty

[Mrsnothingthanks]

And why not? Why is it still seen as so "out there" that a man should double-barrel upon marriage? Nobody would pass one comment if his wife had changed her name to Holly Peaty.
My husband and I both db'd upon marriage. Titles remain unchanged.
It's 2025 ffs!! Stop with the misogyny!

Yeah, you’re right, that went way over my head, because I still have no clue that ‘Mrsnothingthanks’ means someone wants to be ‘Ms Double-Barrelled’, but not ‘Mrs Double-Barrelled’ when they’ve double-barrelled their maiden name with their husband’s surname.

Oh well. I am obviously a bear of very little brain.

Disagreement does not mean she doesn’t get it. It may well be that you are making a poorly thought out argument.

Loads of couples double barrel their surnames, I'm really not understanding the drama 😂

You mean he could keep his own name, take his wife’s name, or double barrel them. There is no need for this obsession with father’s and grandfather’s having also had the names. There naming is done and gone and whether it was passed from a father is irrelevant once the baby is named and it becomes that individual’s name.

Actually I didn't use the word own.

You referred multiple times to fathers and grandfathers having their surnames.

For example:

It belongs to their father or their mother’s father if she is unmarried.

My name is my own but only my first name is my personal name, my surname is my father’s.

This double standard is what's being disagreed with. If your actual belief is that none of these people have their surnames, your wording isn't conveying that.

I haven't read all pp so apologies if already covered, so if this is becoming much more normalised (which is fine IMO, each to their own) what happens in say 20yrs time if adult offspring of Ramsey Peaty marries a Jones Bloggs? Does that couple become Mr and Miss Ramsey Peaty Jones Bloggs?

@Drind my father’s surname didn’t really feel “mine”. That might partly have been because I felt it was an ugly name, didn’t work with my first name or because my mother had made it very clear how sad she felt about not having kept her beautiful surname when she married in the 60s (she didn’t feel that was an option). Happy with my new nice name which came from dp but if I did it afresh I would suggest we pick a joint name to make a fresh start.

It’s a rock solid, well-established argument. Which is not to say there are not exceptions and variations.

They just keep their own names?
They both keep one name and drop one?
They drop both names and make up their own?
They combine both names from each to make their own double barrelled name?

Plenty of options.

Posh people do triple (or sometimes quadruple) like Anstruther-Gough-Calthorpe or Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

Normal people usually drop one surname. Spanish people keep the first and drop the second.

My wording has conveyed that, if you read my posts carefully. Nobody owns their surname, they’re family patrilineal names, I’ve said that from the start.

Once again, I didn't use the word 'own'.

Your posts have displayed a double standard and, as pointed out more than once, this is what people are objecting to. Names mostly being patrilineal doesn't actually mean a woman's father gets his own surname but she doesn't.

It doesn’t matter whether you personally used the word “own”, you have now in any case.

You have repeatedly misunderstood my posts, which if you read back you could clarify yourself.

Surnames are simply patrilineal family names, males don’t own them more than women, they do traditionally pass them on though - which is what patrilineal means.

That you could infer from that that ”a woman's father gets his own surname but she doesn't.” is truly bizarre.

I hope those repeating themselves and sniping know how painful it is for the rest of us interested in the thread!

Yeah, I can well imagine. I’m off to bed.

Definitely not forever; the legal concept of coverture where a wife’s identity was merged with her husband, didn’t exist until the Middle Ages. According to the historian Arianne Chernock, “Coverture, ... [a 1777] author ... concluded, was the product of foreign Norman invasion in the eleventh century—not, as Blackstone would have it, a time-tested 'English' legal practice.” So it’s been a “thing” now for just as long as it wasn’t a thing - roughly 1,000 years. Before coverture, if a family was wealthy or had no male heirs or both, the husband would take the wife’s name in order to protect inheritance.
SOURCE: Wikipedia

Interesting.

In Tudor (and possibly earlier) times, if a man married a woman who had her own lands and properties and she pre-deceased him and there were children, he was entitled to those properties for his life time only and then they would pass to the heirs.

Same. We kept our own names and titles (him Mr, me Ms).

20+ years on it still “confuses” otherwise intelligent adults.

Of course you did. All that admin to change his name would have caused your husband’s dick to fall off, and presumably it didn’t occur for neither of you to change your names.

Very interesting re: Tudor-time inheritance laws!

We should still have that be automatic, instead of having to set up some type of elaborate legal ring-fencing, though we should always have the option to choose who inherits. In France, as forced inheritance is still a thing there, you cannot “disinherit” your children. I admit, I’m not very educated on French inheritance law, so I’m not sure how it works if one spouse has children they don’t share with the other spouse, who would normally legally inherit. Maybe it’s split? This is what happened in a rich French-Swiss family. There needed to be a legal decision, and the current inheritor pushed for Switzerland as the place of the legal decision, whereas the children pushed for France.

In England and Wales parents can choose to give their child any surname they like. It doesn't have to be the mother's or father's surname.
Yet somehow we still end up with most babies getting their father's surname despite it potentially causing issues for the mother long term.

Ones across as desperate to be a Ramsay & hurtful in light of his latest family stuff. Also his ex apparently has said it’s hypocritical bcos he wld’nt let their son carry both their names.

No silly, they just keep the one which comes from the richest / highest profile / most instagram likes partner

Exactly!! I just kept my name on marriage over 30 years ago, no need to double barrel it 🤷🏼‍♀️

Nothing wrong with double barreling but he’s gone with Ramsey for clout. Up to him though.